True Robb. I believe that anyone can have an abortion. Go ahead, you are not affecting my life you are affecting your own. But late stage abortions still happen because teen mothers think they can do it, and then they get scared. Even though it's illegal...

I had an interesting thought. This thought is only a thought and will probably be proved wrong in one post but: Why do people disagree with abortion when nature sometimes does it anyway - Misscarriage. Again I don't agree with it but in this day and age why dont we agree with it? for moral reasons nature no longer concerns us. Nature invented it why shouldnt we use it?

Nature invented death, why don't we show its wonders to everyone?

why not indeed

Agreed, but abortion is by choice. Nobody in their right mind wants their baby miscarried if they truly wanted to get pregnant.

Abortions are kind of like marijuana. Nature "invented" it, we really shouldn't be using it (illegal in the US atleast), but people do it anyway do our dismay.

Hash isn't illegal in Holland, your arguement holds no weight. We could derail this topic regarding the usage of hash, but let's not. Suffice to say hash is not as harmful as alcohol, and that's a proven fact.

I agree 110%. I had no intentions of starting any quarrells (hence the 'illegal in the US' part), and I know the U.S is a little kooky like that, making alcohol legal and such. Scratch the second part of my previous post.

i disagree with abortion and i think that the idea that it doesn't matter who has an abortion because it doesn't affect your life is quite a selfish idea ... maybe it doesn't make a difference to you now, but who's to know what that baby was to become in the future maybe another Mozart, Shakespeare, Thoreau or maybe someone else?
yea so that's my opinion on it

Well, having a child this young is selfish too. But an abortion isn't right either, if you do not want the child, then give it up for adoption, at least you are showing that you love it.

What if you don't love it?

I think a lot of people make the mistake of tarring pro-choice people as pro-abortion. There is a difference.

Potential, hm. A lump of coal has a potential to become a diamond, but we don't treat it like that, do we?

You'd have to make a machine capable of realising the potential. Half the time, the baby inside is a such a machine.

Not if you just leave it to its own devices, no.

Ah, see, I knew someone gets it. I am pro-choice, but anti-abortion, that is I would prefer it wasn't needed. However it is, so those who choose to get one, well that's their choice to make.

Yes it is. If you want one, but I really think you shouldn't at all. Unless your health is in danger or the baby's health is in danger.

Well you see that's the joy of the democractic society you live in. The minority can't tell the majority what to do.

Yes it is.

Seem's like the religious fundies are causing problems in South Dakota, trying to make abortion illegal.

a friend of mine had an abortion she thought it was the right thing to do after a week she tried to commit suicude... i am not trying to convice people its a bad thing (although i beleive it is) but killing a child? thats ur baby, thats part of you, u should love it how a mother would love its child. as much as i releise it could ruin my life to hav a child i wouldnt b able to go on knowing i killed my baby

Here's the thing.

You have all these pro-lifers saying abortion is wrong and wanting to outlaw it. But what if someone doesn't want the child? Adoption? Well you see not every child gets adopted, and it's your taxes that keep orphanages open. So you see I would personally get every child who was unwanted and drop them on all the prolifers to raise.

You wanted the child alive, you deal with it.

Harsh, but it sums up how I feel.

I'm completely against abortion. I think the only time anyone should ever get an abortion is if they are raped. Other than that it isn't the child's fault that you decided to have sex before you were ready to deal with the consquences, and they don't deserve to die.

You really haven't thought that answer out. Think of it, would you like to be raised by someone who doesn't want you? By a 14 year old who cannot support you? Think about it, yes abortion is not the nicest thing, but 14 year olds should not be having children, or sex. However abortion is there to make sure if they are stupid they don't end up with children.

Abortion is one way of dealing with the consequences...

Learn to use the edit key. Posts merged by Robb.


No it's not, it's killing an innocent baby for something you weren't ready for. If you decide to have sex there is always a chance of pregnancy, so unless you're ready to deal with a baby you shouldn't do it.



14 year olds can go through pregnancy if they're stupid enough to have sex at 14. and give it up for adoption. like me I'm 15, if I got pregnant, I would have the baby and keep it or give it up for adoption.. probably keep it because I love kids. but killing an innocent life is so evil, and they don't deserve it they never did anything.

Please don't double post anymore. Thanks.

It's still a way of dealing with the consequences, even if you don't approve of that particular way.

Pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex. There are two ways to deal with a pregnancy:

1. Give birth
2. Get an abortion

Giving birth is only a consequence of sex if you choose to deal with your pregnancy in that particular way.

forget2rem3mber: Any action that results from something is a way of dealing with it, just because you don't agree does not change that. Now I agree 14 year olds shouldn't be having sex, especially with the complete lack of education regarding sex in the US, but they will, and if they don't get abortions odds are you will have another generation sponging off the government. An abortion means someone who really should not be a parent will not be one. You don't like it, well that's your right. Thankfully your rights don't impinge on others.

They should have to deal with consequences and bring the child into this world and give it up to someone who wants a child there are so many couples these days that cannot have children. So why not make them have the child and give it to someone who wants it?

Because it's not as easy as you think. Being 14 and having to go through an entire pregnancy just to give the child up is extremely traumatic. Having an abortion in the frist 6 weeks before there is even a neural setup, ie not sentient hence nothing more then your kidney essentially, would be far less traumatic.

I'm not saying I personally agree with abortion, I don't actually, however it is not my place to tell others they cannot have one, and nor is it yours.

Abortion is dealing with the consequences. See my last post if you can't understand why.

Their fault for getting pregnant. They should have to deal with the consquences or else they should have to at the least go through a class for sex ed after they get an abortion, that way they can at least prevent another one.

Why punish a child for what it's parents did? That's like saying becuase your mother robbed a bank your hand should be cut off. It doesn't work. Bringing a child into the world because it's parent had an accident is hardly fair. That arguement has been tried before, and defeated, so try not to use it again.


However I do agree with your second point on sex education. The problem is as shown on here so often that sex education seems to be lacking in a lot of schools.

Yeah I think that if many teens instead of laughing in sex ed actually paid attention then we wouldn't have that problem. And if they do get pregnant and get an abortion at 14 they need like a remedial sex ed course, just like if you lose your drivers license you have to have a remedial driving course...

Are you deliberately not reading my posts, or do you really not get it?

Abortion is dealing with pregnancy, which is a possible consequence of sex. Abortion is dealing with the consequences.

Abortion is killing an innocent life. I can't force anyone not to have one, I realize that. But what I can do is say how wrong it really is. If someone is going to go off and get pregnant, they made the choice to have sex, so they can deal with a pregnancy and put it up for adoption and think of the child first, instead of being self-centered and thinking of only themselves.

Maybe they are thinking about the child by having an abortion. Did you consider that?

Yes maybe they are. I agree totally with that. But I still think after the abortion they need to re-take sex ed.

I doubt anyone would debate that requirement of a refresher course in sex education, but perhaps if the sex education was more education and less religion this kind of thing would not happen so often. Having "ABSTAIN" shoved at you and no real information is not going to help the situation either.

Yeah because how many teens actually abstain? I know of 10 girls in my school right now that are pregnant or have gotten an abortion. And I'm sure there are many more than that. I know at my school that is all they preach and we have had seminars about it. The one lady told us to abstain because right now we were having watergun sex and we want firework sex. So that was just hilarious! Not anything that would actually make us "abstain."

No, I honestly didn't think of that.
It's the girl's choice,
just sometimes.. its wrong.

if you have sex and get pregnant when you're not ready it's your fault not your unborn child's. it was your choice to have sex in the first place, so why should the child suffer.

if you can't take care of it then give it up for adoption. I'm sure it will be better there then not living at all.

lItObAbEy: This point has been argued against already. Please read the whole topic before posting.

In my family if you get pregnant abortion is not an option, if you are not ready to handle raising the child, then the person pregnant gives it up to adoption. In many cases they have been adopted within the family and then raised still in the same family they are in. Which is way better than nothing. And if I get pregnant then I will raise it or give it to someone in my family who can, or if that is not an option then I will have open adoption. Families need to be more open-minded like mine, and realize people do stupid things...

EDIT: Unless the mother's health would not be able to sustain pregnancy or the child's health would not be good, only reasons for abortion in my family, ALTHOUGH before I was born my grandfather thought it would be best if my mom had had an abortion with me. Now look where I am. Living! And all because my mom wanted to raise me herself and deal with the decision she made.

They don't sound very open-minded if they try to force you to do what they want you to do. At least, that's the way you've made it sound.

Many teens end up having an abortion because of the fact that they don't want to tell anyone. So they go have an abortion b/c it is the easiest thing to do. But my family realizes people make mistakes and they as a whole are willing to deal with it. Which if more families were like that, not so many teens would have an abortion.

Very bad news from South Dakota. They have banned abortions unless the persons life is at risk. Rape and incest is not enough to get one. (Well can't have all those inbred idiots not being able to have more kids now can we?)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4780522.stm

Take a giant step backwards South Dakota!

"In my family, raising a child as a teen is not an option. If you get pregnant as a teen, you either abort it or give it up for adoption, because my family realises that people make mistakes. I'm glad my family is so open-minded!"

Open-minded, right? Just like yours...

A comment about abortion being outlawed in South Dakota, once again rape and incest are not causes to allow abortion.



Discuss.

Now that I would have to say is VERY wrong! If rape and incest were the cause of your pregnancy then I would want to abort it. Also if my health were at risk or the unborn child's.... WOW! South Dakota is going to have many teens running out of the state for abortions.

That would be a rather sorry sight, but not because of the legislation.