Some argue that if someone takes a life, their life must be forfeit. I would think that such people would see the inevitability of illegal abortions having complications as a sort of divine justice.

An eye for an eye and the world goes blind, so they say. I don't really think that that particular thing is karma, Mas.

I am a die hard conservitive. But this is the one matter in which i wave on. i was 100% against abortion till i was 17. a good friend of mine was raped by her ex-boyfriend. she only told three of us girls, and i was the only one to believe she was raped. everyone else thought she was just trying to get him back. But bruises like hers don't come from just sex. anyways she got pregnant and i took her to get an abortion. if they made a law against abortion what happen if you get raped and the courts find that person not guilty. Would yuo want to have a child of a man who violated you like that?

No i wouldn't. Never.

And turned cheeks make for good slapping practice.

You may not, others will. Life for life being karma requires no stretch of the imagination.

Ok lets throw something new into the equation. What about Ectopic Pregnancy - that is when the baby develops inside the falopian tube instead of the Uterus - potentially if the pregnancy is not terminated the tube will rupture and cause massive internal bleeds which will be life threatening to the mother and possibly prevent her from having other children with her partner. Now at this point its a no win situation. There is no way the baby can be moved before anyone asks. If the pregnancy is not terminated then not only will not one life be lost but most likely two. Is that worth the risk?
Forgive my spelling i am not a biology student!

That's a different scenario in that not only is it practically impossible for the foetus to survive that way, but the life of the mother is also put at risk. As I stated earlier, if the situation is a matter of life or death then the abortion is ethical.

Yeah that's completely different. In that case abortion is the only alternative as the baby cannot survive in the Fallopian tube.

thats different then just killing the baby for no apparent reason. killing the baby becuse you cant take care of it is just selfish... there is a thing called adoption

Learn to use the edit key, capital letters and punctuation. Posts merged.

i strongly disagree in abortion.. some people say "i can understand if they were raped or whatever but i wus reading & it says having an abortion will not help the mother because it will only bring her more pain & suffering because she will have to deal with what she did & the fact of being raped. also it said in no way will abortion be necassary to save the mothers life. so therefore abortion is not nessacary & is only used because people are to selfish & dont wanna deal with the consequences of sex...either keep your legs closed, use a condomn or birth control dont take the life of an innocent child... i could go on & on but ima stop here.

wouldnt it b better for a mother to have a baby in her arms then on her consicence?

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ok now that kind of problem i can understand...

So we should trust a secondary source over actual rape victims who got actual abortions and were actually helped by it?

sexiwytegurl You can read all you want but it wont change what it is. You clearly have no experience in it, and you posts reflect a terrible lack of compassion.

It doesn't matter which source says what because the circumstances (with some rare exceptions such as the ectopic pregnancy mentioned earlier) don't make a goddamn bit of difference. A wrong act is a wrong act, no matter how honorable your intentions may be.

But the question is "Is it truely wrong to end a pregnancy if the person in question does not wish to be a parent?" Some would debate it is, some would not. I know I would not want to be an unwanted child to a parent who resents the fact I am alive. Some would say put the child up for adoption, but have any of you looked into the adoption agencies around the world? They are drastically under-funded with far to many children in them as it is. Is it fair dumping a child in there either?

The child could end up far more screwed up by being in care and dealing with issues that not only did its parents not want it but they didnt really care what happened to it either. If i'm honest if my parents had been in a position where they hadn't have wanted me then id have rathered my mum terminated her pregnancy than hand me over to strangers like that so that i could have all that stuff to deal with later in life. I think that this is personal choice. Obviously we will never conclude with the same opinion but if that right is taken away from women and if abortion is made illegal then you risk the lives of children and parents for whatever reason.

It does matter when the question is "Can having an abortion help a rape victim?"

Your personal opinion about the morality of abortion is completely irrelevant to that question. Which is what I was responding to.

But staying in the care of the real parents may also make the child "screwed up." My friend has given birth to a child recently. She was not allowed to have an abortion, and adoption was not an option for her and her family. Her parents do not want to take care of the child and left her with the resposibility of taking care of the child. She smokes, drinks, has sex, and does a numberous amount of drugs with the child nearly two feet away from her. In these situations, I would most likely want to be with foster parents, than with a druggie mother who doesn't know who the child's father is.

Hang on, with her doing all that crap and her parents didn't make her get an abortion....I'm not sure who is worse here, her, or her parents.

Forcing someone to get an abortion is just as bad as forcing someone not to.

Acutally still if it was me rather not be alive at all. Both options suck.

I am all for abortion...I used to be like all of you people against it until my best friend got put into that situation...at age 15 none the less...yes she wanted to have sex and she didnt mean for it to happen but it did and she wanted more than anything to have a little girl of her own but she couldnt take it....she had pre-cervical cancer and ulcers on top of her pregnancy and what if you didnt have a choice....it was either to have an abortion and her being able to stil have kids or it was the choice to have the baby for the baby and herself just to die....now after reading that maybe you should think twice before goin off about it being wrong because i have learned from experiece that abortion isnt the end of the world there are stil chances for kids to be born everyday of there lives and to save someones life....i think abortion is good

One example does not reflect every situation. More often than not the woman is not at risk of death if the baby is allowed to be born. How do you justify it then?

Personal choice. Too be frank it is all well and good arguing over this but in most places it is legal and i know I'd rather that it was done professionally than by some idiot in a back ally and it is a personal choice.

I mean I don't agree but thats my PERSONAL CHOICE right?

Okay, Let's chalk it down to YOU SHOULD ONLY GET AN ABORTION IF THERE IS A LARGE CHANCE YOU OR BOTH YOU AND THE BABY WON'T SURVIVE! That is it, one of my friend's had an abortion and then was haunted by it for days. I am disgusted with someone who chooses an abortion, you're a teen, you layed down and had sex, now deal with the consequences. If you're not willing to do that, then don't have sex AT ALL! That is the only way you won't get pregnant. One of my friends is pregnant, and even though the guy left her soon after she slept with him, she was hurt, and a few days later, she found out she was pregnant. She is now 5 months along, and she is going to raise a beautiful son... Why would you want to deny the child it's life? That is what you are doing... Maybe it won't have a father figure, but the man who got her pregnant doesn't deserve it anyway. Abortion is wrong!!!!

You're a fracking moron, what if the condom breaks, what if you aren't ready to be a parent, should you force the child to grow up unwanted by a parent who wasn't ready? I mean as I said I don't really like the idea of abortion myself, however I will not dictate to others what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

Ok fine if thats how you think. My friend got pregnant by her boyfriend - quite by accident condom broke - he is abusive. she had an abortion. Can you honestly say she made the wrong choice? No because she just saved an innocent child from abuse.

This is coming from someone who has put forward in the past that if you are not prepared to deal with the potential consequences of sex, even protected sex, you are not ready for it.

I think you misunderstand where I come from. Pregnancy is always a potential outcome for sex, be it protected or not. How you deal with the pregnancy is also a choice, you can go ahead with it, or have an abortion if it is early enough.

That being said most of the people who post on here are not ready for sexual relationships.

Even if you don't get pregnant, there is an emotional side that comes from having sex that you need to be ready for. Sometimes it will bring you closer to your significant other, but if you aren't ready for it, it can push you apart. You need to be prepared for that.

It's all well and good to be anti-abortion, when you've never been in that situation yourself, but a lot of people change their minds when they find themselves in that situation.

I was just saying emotionally teens are not ready to have sex, it is not fair to the child to have to deal with an unfit parent but if you are not prepared to deal with a child, then don't have sex. Period. That is what sex was made for, was to have children. That is all. If you can't emotionally, physically, mentally ready for it DON'T DO IT!

That's not all sex is for. People who don't want to have children, or can't, have sex.

But scientifically thats the whole point in it jsut because technology now gives ways of preventing pregnancy as an outcome doesn't mean thats not the point in it because it is. Thats how we reproduce thats nature. Besides no contraception is 100% effective.

But dramaqueen1689 is saying that reproducing is the only reason to have sex. And nowadays it's not.

no but it was. And fundamentally thats its purpose.

Right, but we're talking about now, and people having sex now. And people don't just have sex to reproduce. There are many other reasons, commitment being one of them, why people have sex.

sex wasnt always just for reproduction, maybe that's it function, but it is also you giving yourself completely to another...its a trust and commitment thing. i am against abortion...period

its all down to nature though. Nature wants people to have sex thats why you get turned on right because your attracted to your partner through nature and nature wants you to be turned on to have sex to have babies. Whether that happens or not is neither here nor there thats the basics of it. Its jsut that now were so hept up on emotion and relationships everything is more compicated than it ever was.

yah i guess thats true

i think its wrong but sumtimes u gotta do wut u gotta do0o........

Yes, I believe all these points are valid. But I am still standing to my non-abortion thought.

Yeah and others are standing with theirs.

just like everyone is entitled to.

The entitled opinion of a lot of women in Britain is that Abortion needs to be limited more than it currently is.
57% of all women polled say that the laws make abortion too easy (in over a sixth of those women, 'easy' means 'possible').


I think the world's promiscuity has brought the need for abortion about (it was the 1960s, there's bound to be a link). Teenagers realise that their body is their own and that they can do what they want with it, and then they proceed to do the stupidest thing they can think of in order to exercise their right. In the end, they're still teenagers, still immature, still unwise, gaining only a pregnancy from their experience.
Over this generation, all that has been achieved is a horrendous sex culture and people exercising their rights to do things for no reason better than because have the right to do so, ignoring the question of whether or not they really should be doing it. While it has more honourable applications, the existence of abortion encourages this.
Abortion should be seen as the almost unthinkable, the last ditch effort, not what you do when you forget the pill or you've gone through so many condoms that one decides to be statistically sound and breaks.

well said ^^

Very true! There are some abortions happening during the delivery of the children and that is not right....

I sitll uphold personal choice. Always will. What one person believes is right does not mean another will think the same.

Yeah, So you think that killing babies as they are delivered is right?
That is a different form of abortion...

But that form of abortion is illegal in almost every country in the world, because at that stage they are essentially a full person. There is a large difference between abortions at 8 weeks and abortions at 8 months.

Or so people are quick to claim, at least.

Well I'd claim it because before a certain stage there is no nervous system. With no nervous system you are essentially dead, or in this case a ball of cells with no sentience. Late stage abortions, after the nervous system and brain has formed I disagree with, because then the child is alive and sentient also.

It's a bit of a grey area. I don't like the idea of abortions myself, but I wont deny other's the right to them. I would like to curtail when they can be performed however, to stop people using them as a form of contraception.