Yes that's true. But you can always put the baby up for adoption, because at least that gives it a chance at life.






Well I did say that I think you should wait until you're at least 17 or 18 to have sex. Any age under that, there just seems to be too much responsibility and even more if you get pregnant. You are a lot more mature when you're 18 then when you're 14. Life can be hard as a teen, why make it harder by getting pregnant? Just WAIT until you can handle it on your own, without your parents.

There are (as of 2000) 134,000 children in the U.S. waiting to be adopted. Why add to that?

people say its wrong to kill somebody, well guess what! a baby is somebody. its just as bad!

To you it is murder, to others it is assuring a child is not brought into the world by people who do not want it. Abortion usually takes place before the feutus is anything more then a big ball of cells. It doesn't even have a nervous of circulatory system. It's not a reasoning being, it's only alive in the most basic sense, the same way your kidney is, or a tumour is. Would you rather a child be brought into a world where it's parents resent it's birth? I would not. To be honest though it is all about choice. I believe people should be free to either use abortion, or not. I am neither for it or against it to be honest, but I like to think that the choice is there for others who may need it.

A baby is somebody, a fetus isn't.

Is it just as bad? Is a clump of cells worth just as much as, say, your mother/father/sister/brother? I hope not.

if the "clump of cells" is to become a human being... then yeah, pretty close.

how would you feel if your parents told you they were thinking about getting an abortion when your mom was pregnant with you? i know so many people who are "against" abortion but they wouldnt like it if their parents got an abortion when their mom was pregnant with their brother or sister

If I was told that I wouldnt have a cow or something. So my parents were thinking of getting an abortion. It was their choice to make. And obviously they didnt and if they did well I wouldnt exist so I really wouldnt care. See think of it this way. You kill a person like say if I stabbed and killed you prepgonepunk. You would be fully aware of what is happening and all that crap. You abort a fetus, it is uncapable of concious thought and in most cases any thought at all. There is a subtle difference in those cases.

people should think before they have sex (or atleast use protection)


i know protection doesnt always work... ive learned that. thats how krystal got here, but anyways... i wouldnt of gotten pregnant if i wasnt supposed to have her.

Yes but you dont realize that no matter what people will always have unprotected sex. It is something that you can simple not solve. Well I guess you could but it would involve extreme dictatorship like actions.

Think of it this way. You chose to have Krystal. You could have had an abortion, but you chose not to. You chose to have a baby, because that's what you felt what right for you. What if I told that you had to have an abortion, that you didn't have a choice? How would you like being told that you can't choose what you do with your own body?

Having a choice is great, isn't it?

Do you see what I'm saying?

There are too many people in the world as is. Abortion is perfectly fine for me. I mean, what if the baby comes out stupid (and when I say stupid, I don't mean retarded)? Don't you have the responsibility to save that child years of mental anguish and just put it out of it's misery?

As an advocate for the abortion of stupid people, I'm obligated to support fetal abortions.

Now speaking seriously, I actually do support abortion. Regardless of whether or not a person should have had sex, they do. And they get pregnant when they're not ready. It's a part of life. But everyone has the ability to decide, both the woman and the man. It's a mutual decision. But also regardless of that, to take away abortion is too limit your options to having a child you can't take care of, or having the guilt of possibly sending your new born off to a family that might do an even poorer job than you. At least with abortion the future is certain.

Yes, there is always the regret from taking away a life that you might have had great influence over, but I think people might be more regretful of the fact that they lost power over another being than they are over the fact that they took a life. I could be wrong though. I've never been dumb enough to get caught in that situation.

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Think of it this way. You chose to have Krystal. You could have had an abortion, but you chose not to. You chose to have a baby, because that's what you felt what right for you. What if I told that you had to have an abortion, that you didn't have a choice? How would you like being told that you can't choose what you do with your own body?

Having a choice is great, isn't it?

Do you see what I'm saying?

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theres a difference in being told that to kill a baby or to have a baby

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Think of it this way. You chose to have Krystal. You could have had an abortion, but you chose not to. You chose to have a baby, because that's what you felt what right for you. What if I told that you had to have an abortion, that you didn't have a choice? How would you like being told that you can't choose what you do with your own body?

Having a choice is great, isn't it?

Do you see what I'm saying?

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theres a difference in being told that to kill a baby or to have a baby

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How is there a difference? How is the right to choose different? How would you like to be told that you can't choose what to do with your own body? Answer me that. How would you like to be told that you have to have an abortion?

LOts of those kids will probably get adopted, but I know that some won't. They are most likley up for adoption because their parents died, their parents are unsuitable (abusive, etc.), or they were not wanted. If people used protection in the first place they probably wouldn't of got pregnant.


Yes but you yourself were once that clump of cells. Can you imaging what it would feel like if someone did to a human what they do to abort babies? I can't imagine it would be pleasent....

SexYGiRliE93 you are missing the point. No one should be told to have anything like an abortion, but the choice should exists for those who want it. It's all about freedom of choice. You choose not to, someone else chooses to, it's as simple as that.

Isn't that what I've been saying the whole time?

but I'm glad someone understands.

If someone had killed me while I was that clump of cells, I would never have known the difference. Having lived sixteen years, I know what "pain" and "death" is, but a fetus does not as they do not have the experience nor the capacity for intelligent (or unintelligent) thought. A fetus has no idea what pain is. A fetus won't care if you kill it. Promise.

"Can you imaging what it would feel like if someone did to a human what they do to abort babies" and I believe that here you have just acknowledged that fetuses aren't human.

Fetuses are not considered human by the law. And I don't see how I admitted to that but I don't consider a fetus human anyway if it's only a few weeks old. But you are still destroying a chance at life. And until a certain age you're probably right that a fetus can't feel pain or whatever. But in that fetus is a body growing. I don't know that much about the stages of growth in a fetus, but eventually there will be a heart. Somthing that has a heart and eyes and ears and a brain can feel pain.

And if you see a woman who is 9 months pregnant, do you not consider what is inside her a human?

That is why I think abortions are not allowed after the second trimester. Because they have developed enough to be considered human.

Does anyone know if there's a law or something that says you can't get an abortion after x amount of weeks?

There is such a thing called partial birth abortions.. its when the baby is in it's third and fourth trimester..so it actually resembles a human and can feel pain..Its rater disgusting if you ask me..

That's horrible! I have never heard of that before. I

Yeah, I was reading about that.. That is very horrible!

Fourth trimester? Wtf?

There are three trimesters. Hence the prefix "tri". If there were more than three trimesters, they wouldn't be called trimesters.

Lol you realize you posted that right after I said you at what point you are no longer to get an abortion right?

why go through abortion when thousands are waiting to adopt? save a life- don't go through abortion!!!!!

im not really sure what i support, but i do think that its none of my business to tell someone whether they can get an abortion or not. if someone feels theyre not responsible enough to handle a child, then why bring it into the world. obviously if they arent responsible enough to handle one they arent responsible enough to handle sex but whats done is done, you cant turn back time. as for adoption, if youre like 13, i dont think you can even handle having a baby physically plus all of the emotions that come along with it...that can really fuck a person up. abortions during the last trimester = ouch. as long as the fetus cant feel pain, go ahead if its really what youre sure that you want.

I agree. I don't know what side I am on, both have it's pros and cons, but I don't think it's right of me to tell someone they can't get an abortion. There are different circumstances for everyone that come with different feelings...

LOL sry I didn't notice

If there are thousands of children waiting to be adopted, not having an abortion means your adding to the number who are waiting to be adopted. This decreases the chance of a child being adopted over all because the system is hard to go through and after a certain period of time there isn't even a guarantee that an adoptive parent will want you.

I agree. I don't think people should kill their babies. I think if they dont' want them/can't take care of them, give them up for adoption. Like you said, there are tons of people who would LOVE to adopt! Who possibly can't have a child of their own, or don't want to marry, but would love a child.

What about the millions of children who are already waiting to be adopted???

im kinda for and against it. more against it though.

if you were raped by your father or something and became pregnant, would you want to have the baby? no, you probably wouldnt.

im for it when it comes to rape.




but when it comes to anything else, im against it.
there are women out there that cant have babies. do them a favor. have the child and put it up for adoption for those women.

i guess im more against it because i had a miscarriage.*shrug*

Thank you for completely skipping my rebuttle to the post you just agreed with. Read it again. Too lazy to scroll up? I'll make it easy.



And thank you dear materialista. You're absolutely right. Didn't mean to take away from your post, just annoys me when people completely ignore something others say, especially when that post has a point. So, I basically just agree with you.

Sad to say but I think people like you and I should simply get used to it. I believe both my posts regarding the issue were completely disregarded by everyone. Oh well, at least you should feel solace in the fact that maybe someone read it and simply agreed or that your argument was so solid that it left others unable to contribute a sound refutation to your point.

I’m hoping it’s the latter in both our cases.

Everyone knows that if you put the baby up for adoption, it only adds to the list. But if people were responsible and had safe sex in the first place, they probably wouldn't have a baby to put up!

Ehehe.... er... yeah, I forgot I posted that. I was in a pissy mood for reasons that make me more pathetic than I'd like to admit. So, apoligies to... well, anyone who got annoyed by that post.

sorry..this is a little late, but a kid in one of my classes yesterday made a good point:
do you know anyone who actually remembers being in the womb?

also, it can actually be less painful if a (i cant think of another word, sorry!--) mutated baby is aborted before it can fully develop and be born, when it will be more concious..right now i know a couple who recently had to have an abortion because their baby was going to be born without an esophagus, like half a heart, and a non-functioning leg. what would you guys suggest happen in that case? i know it was a very hard decision to make, but once the baby was born, what would you do anyway?

and rape babies, thats a painful situation...

it just depends on the case..really, the only time im probably against abortion is if you are old enough to handle a child (ie NOT in your teens, etc.) and you are pregnant just because you were irresponsible enough not to use protection. i mean, come on, if youre having sex for pleasure before youre even ready to have a child, just think about it first..

"there are thousands of people waiting to adopt"-- well actually, i think its the other way around..theres thousands of children waiting to be adopted. think of all the malnourished children in impoverished countries-what about them? im not sure, but i think theres enough children to be adopted. if there ever is a shortage, okay, then set more restrictions on abortions (rape babies or endangerment of the mother/child only) or something like that.

if we make abortions illegal, can you even IMAGINE how overpopulated we will get??

i think it all comes down to the person though..so yeah, pro-choice

*sighs*

okay, i'm done.

Partial birth aportions should be banned completly..
thats jst disgusting..

now abortions im iffy..i dont believe in them cuz i think its nasty..but i dont think i can take that away from other people..although if ur a lil skank..an get pregnant that really makes me mad when i hear about these cases..

on the whole..were already over populated..well okay..lets not find cures for diseases..since we're already populated..now..thats MY opinnion when it comes to partial birth aportions..when the baby is actually formed and could possibly live on its own..

I don't like abortions. I don't think any of us do. I'd rather not see or hear of a baby being killed because their parents not wanting them. But abortions are very close to becoming a necessary evil. The Earth was meant to hold a population of approximately 6 billion people. Right now, we're at a global population of about 8 billion people, and more babies being born by the minute. If there are more babies being born, we will have to keep chopping down the rain forest, and ruining the enviroment to accomodate the growing population, which in turn can end up with us not having clean oxygen to breath and not enough resources to live.

For example, we recently got about 70 guppies from one of our friends and apparently, guppies eat these sort of weeds. So, my family and I went out and bought a 5 gallon tank for 70 guppies. There are only supposed to be 20-35 guppies per 5 gallons, so we were pretty overpopulated. We stuck water in the tank and floated the weeds on top for them to eat and left them alone. A week later, about half of them died, because we did not realize that there were not enough weeds for them all to eat.

It is kind of like the world right now. We don't realize how little we have, and if there are so many people being born, we don't know how long our resources will last.

I like abortions about as much as computers like magnets. But if there are no abortions, something else will have to be done to slow down the growth of people.

Please read this article I found in a newsletter my dad gets for the Right to Life. It talks about what it's like for the baby during an abortion, and late term abortion.


Abortionist’s Daughter Makes Controversial Film
British and U.S. TV Show Images of Aborted Babies

Abridged from “The Choice is Yours”, August 8 2004 by Melinda Tankard Reist

While newborns do not smile until 4-6 weeks after birth, this 3-D/4-D ultrasound image shows that first smiles occur in the womb. Can you look at the smiling face of an unborn child and insist that abortion is right?

Did you see those 3-D ultrasound images of the 12-week unborn boy that have appeared all over the place recently, smiling, stepping, crossing his legs, yawning, rubbing his eyes and holding his hands to his face?
Tune in to ABC TV’s Compass and you will see this baby and others even older, happily doing their baby aerobics in the womb. But be warned - you will see something else as well. Babies who are not moving. Babies of 10, 11, and 21 weeks in pieces after abortion. Babies sucking their thumbs one moment, lying dead beside a tape measure the next. You even see a “live” abortion and a doctor rinsing fetal remains through what looks like to be a kitchen sieve.
The British Channel 14 documentary was made by Julia Black. She agrees that the images are shocking: “They are disturbing and confronting because they are the reality of abortion,” she says.
She must be a pro-lifer, showing blood-soaked pictures of aborted babies? Well, no, actually. Black is solidly pro-choice. Her father founded an abortion clinic empire and she had an abortion at 21. But she felt like it was time to be honest about what abortion really did. Her honesty may be too much for some.
She says: “When I interviewed a doctor about the unpleasantness of performing late abortions it was difficult to listen to and not believe it was morally wrong.” That’s the same doctor who talks about dismembering babies into buckets between his legs.
Another abortionist talks about having “compassion” and “respect” for the just-aborted fetus. If someone like that says they respect you, run for your life. The pioneer of 3-D ultrasounds, Professor Stuart Campbell, admits it is hard to support abortion when you’ve seen a 22 week (5 month) old smiling at you. But he doesn’t want to suggest any limits.
One pro-choice British journalist found her views challenged the film: “My hands flew to my mouth in shock. I swallowed. I didn’t want to say it, but the word murder came to my lips.”
Black, too, admits to getting “swept up in the whole emotion around that abortion equated, you know, (to) the killing of a baby.” And that’s when she realizes she can’t let the facts get in the way of a good abortion.
Black wants to have her fetus and abort it too. She concludes that you can be “opposed to what abortion actually is and still be pro-choice.” Go figure.
What abortion actually is can be a shock for women when they find out after. Contributors to my book, Giving Sorrow Words: Women’s Stories of Grief after Abortion, felt cheated that they weren’t told the truth about abortion - what it does to babies - and to them. They were told they were carrying “a blob of cells”, “a mass of tissue”, “a scrap paper”, and even something that looked like “a pig’s fetus”. “My baby had fingernails,” says Ginger, who found this out too late and still grieves.
Black is making this film while pregnant. We see her swelling belly. And we see her lovely baby, Esme, born last September. Esme waves to us as she splashes in a pool - she’s smiling, stepping, putting her hands to her face, enjoying her water aeorbics - just as she did in her mother’s womb.
And you cannot help but think of all the other Esmes who are no more - and their mothers who were told abortion is nothing at all.


If a baby is born pre maturally, which happens a lot, it has a chance to survive. If you get a late term abortion, then I think it really is murder. The only difference is that the baby is in the mother. It seems so easy to kill a baby just because you can't actually see it, but no one would mutulate a pre-mature baby that was 6 months old....

I believe that was made for shock value to try and stop people having abortions. We have protesters who show pictures of aborted babies on placards in the middle of dublin. Young children see these and are frightened. You want to protest abortion, have a table with pictures in a book so a young child cannot be frightened. Shock tactics like that are nothing more then a blow below the belt.

Why make this difficult.. If you don't want a child, don't have sex! End of story.

Yes, very simple!! Don't have sex. You made the choice of wanting to have sex and a chance of a new life coming into the world.

Saying that getting pregnant is punishment for having sex is like saying rape is punishment for getting drunk. Partially true, but the dumbest argument you can make.

As Robb said, the video, while honest, is mostly shock value. The women who had abortions were not lied to by their doctors, the ones who said they were simply getting rid of a blob of tissue. They knew that they were eliminating a life, and if they felt grief for it, it was their own decision. They've got no right to whine.

Don't have sex? Yeah right cop on. I have sex quite often, as in multiple times a week. I don't want a child yet. Should I stop having sex? No. Use precautions, use condoms, the pill, something. There is nothing wrong with having sex, only religious people seem to think there is. It is natural and has evolved to be rather enjoyable as a continuation of our species depends on it.

Wow.. Something I wouldn't want to know around this time of the day, but whatever. Look, for you it's alright to have sex because you are married, you do whatever the hell you want with your woman and you don't have to have children and stuff. I am just saying to the people who are like under the age of 18 or something having sex. They shouldn't be having sex in the first place! But they decided to and some actually do it and nothing happens! Some of them end up getting a disease, or some end up getting pregnant. If you teenagers don't want a child, then don't have sex! Even if you use a condom, you can never be so sure, sometimes the condom doesn't work, but don't listen to me when I say that, I wouldn't know *beep* =P But yeah, Robb it wasn't directed to you, it was to people below the age of 18 or something.

^^ i agree with you 100% about the condom thing... it happened to me

I'm married? When did that happen? I'm not married yet, the wedding is not for a while yet. I am engaged. Plus I've been having sex since I was 16, I was just careful. We can say children, and yes if you are under 18 you are a child so don't whine about that, shouldn't have sex. But they still will, so would you rather preach at them saying no sex, or show them how to have safe sex, but still advise they should not be sexually active? In the second case if they have sex at least the chances of them getting pregnant or an STI drop.

Your off a bit.Christians(Im assuming your refering to them,correct me if your not) dont think there is anything wrong with sex.We believe you should wait till marriage to have sex.Sex used to be mainly to have children.Over the years its been made into an idea of fun.I spose it is but thats really not the idea of it.