They would. Do people think of this? NO.

I am for abortion in a case that the baby is sick and the parents can't provide for the proper treatments/medications, in a situation of rape, or the mother is too young to have a baby( I believe you should be 18+). If for some reason a woman is having a girl and decides that she wanted a boy and gets an abortion i feel that is wrong becasue of the fact that every human being shall be treated the same and loved for who they are. Just my opinion!

its not ok. only for rape i think!

in my point of view.. abortion is bad like murder but wat if a woman was raped and she became pregnant?? put the baby up for adoption or make an abortion??
adoption is really sad because sumtimes the child will never kno who their real parents are.. idk wat if they dont get a good family and are abused n not treated equally as say their other siblings??

I personally think it should only be offered to those who NEED IT
like if you were raped or if something happens where you get so sick and is threatening the child's life (which I know of someone that it happened to)

If it's just used because people are being a dumbass and not using a condom then dude..I think that's murder!

*sigh*

that's my opinion

Most people aren't that flippant about abortion. It is NOT a case of "oopsies didn't use a condom, ah well it's grand I can just get an abortion." And those who think that it is are ignorant. Some people have had abortions for those reasons but they have come out of it believeing different. There's this thing called Post- Abortion Councelling.

What if the mother found out she was pregnant and became suicidal because she didn't want to have this baby? If she really had her head set on killing herself and her unborn child? Would you allow it then?

Like I said, IF THEY NEED IT
But yes, if you don't want a baby USE A DAMN CONDOM
That's what they're there for or be on birth control.
PLAN PARENTHOOD! USE IT! Don't abuse it
You can get birth control there for $5 A MONTH!

Besides, that's my opinion on it.
You can't BASH me for it.
Just because you don't feel the same way doesn't mean you have to hold it against me.

Actually she can, just as you can hold her opinion against her. It happens, get over it.

wow
chill
everyone has their opinion and no one is wrong
I don't like being told I'm wrong when asked my opioion, no one does

Actually you need to chill if you are getting so worked up. Now, consider what you are doing.

Actually I'm not getting worked up
but okay
excuse me then.

Dude, her opinion is her opinion, yours is yours. Let it go.
Personally, I feel sheis right but I don't go off on people.
More power to you girl.

thank you darling.

No problem

Aww isn't that cute, we have two people supporting each other, but still missing the point.

Isn't it odd they have somewhat similar usernames, the same icon and one has posted only twice-and both times in this thread?

If I couldn't check their IPs I too would have been suspicious. Odds are they are friends from elsewhere.

okie dokie

I originally thought it was the same person just repeatedly posting. Oopsies.

Oh and I wasn't bashing ANYONE. I just thought it'd be an interesting question to ask, that's all.

It just shows that disagreeable people are becoming very generic. Stupidity must be really mainstream now.

maybe because HE'S NEW TO THE SITE!
Seriously now
And don't think I asked him to join because of this disagreement
He joined without me knowing and left a comment.
Deal with it, people do that.

NOT that big of a deal.


Also, I'm was told I was the one getting worked but BUT YOU are the one that keeps complaining...
Funny.
I'm done here. I don't want to end up having half the site hate me because of my opinion on something.

Do excuse me.

No, your stupidity is not excused. Now go learn to use the edit key.

Merged by Robb.

...

I wonder what you had there dear materialista?

I read something wrong

I thought



Said "he joined without knowing me" and I commented on how blatantly obvious it is that they know each other.

haha. i thought it was the same person cause the times they posted are about 2 minutes apart. =-o

How convenient.

And so did I fallout, I'll admit to that.

FACTS ABOUT FETAL DEVELOPMENT
(week 6 is about two weeks after a missed period)
btw im pro life

WEEK 6
The embryo is about one-fifth of an inch in length. A primitive heart is beating. Head, mouth, liver and intestines begin to take shape.
WEEK 10
The embryo is now about one inch in length. Facial features, limbs, hands, feet, fingers and toes become apparent. THe nervous system is responsive, and many of the internal organs begin to function.
WEEK 14
THe fetus is now three inches long and weights almost and ounce. The muscles begin to develop and sex organs form.Eyelids, fingernails, and toenails also form. The child's spontaneous movements can now be observed.
WEEK 18
The fetus is now about five inches long. THe child blinks, grasps, and moves her mouth. Hair grows on the head and body.
WEEK 22
The fetus now weighs approximatley one-half pund and spans ten inches from head to toe. Sweat glands develop, and the external skin has turned from transparent to opaque.
WEEK 26
The fetus can now inhale, exhale and even cry. Eyes have completley formed and the tounge has developed taste buds. Under intensive medical care the fetus has over a 50 percent chance of living outside the womb.
WEEK 30
The fetus is usually capable of living outside the womb and would be considered premature at birth.
WEEK 40
This marks the end of the normal gestational period. The child is now ready to live outside the womb.

~Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.
~Even in the situation of rape, abortions are anything but a quick fix. Carrying a child is one of the greatest miracles from God. It is impossible for a woman to terminate a pregnancy and not experience emotional consequences at some point.
~In one year alone, more children died from abortions than Americans died in the Revolutionary war, Civil War, World Wars 1 and 2, the Korean War, the Vietnam War and the Gulf War combined.

For it was You who created my inward parts; You knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise You, because I have been remarkable and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, and I know [this] very well. My bones were not hidden from You when I was made in secret, when I was formed in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all [my] days were written in Your book and planned before a single one of them began. Psalm 139:13-16

^ i SO agree with that

According to the Center of Disease Control and Prevention,

(in 2001)

Isn't it cute how pro-lifers have to make up statistics in order to get people to support their cause? If abortion was really so z0mg evil, wouldn't the actual facts be compelling enough on their own?

Pro-lifers who parade images of abortions preformed at a much later stage around the main street in Dublin on a Saturday afternoon deserve to be dis-embowled.

To be fair, that reflects the accuracy of the whole post. The evidence m'lady

Whether or not the statistics are fabricted is irrelevant. I find it highly irriating how pro-lifers don't seem to give a shit about the mother at all and only seem to care about the fetus, which is unwanted. And the people who say things like "well you shoudn't have had sex" make me want to scream.

Without abortion, the mother is inconvenienced.

With abortion, the foetus DIES.

There is a slight difference.

if you don't want an abortion, then don't have one. let other people get one if they want. its their life.

Should we let other people murder adults because "it's their life" too?

"It's their parasite" doesn't have the same ring to it.

It's the woman's choice. Let her do what she wants. It's her fetus and if she doesnt want 2 carry it for 9 months, so she can give it away, we can't stop her from having an abortion. What's the point of carrying a baby 9 months, giving a painfull delivery, and sadly see your baby taken away by another family because you know you can't care for it. It is her body and she should have the right to do what she wants to do with it. If we say no u can't get an abortion and she really doesn't want the baby, she might end up doing something stupider, that's bad for her health, to kill it.

So would you object, then, to the woman giving birth to the baby and then stomping on its head? Is that alright to do because she doesn't want it?

if a women doesnt want the responsiblity of a baby then she schouldnt have sex!!

Not a good argument. If both partners have taken the proper precautions then the woman has no reason to assume she will become pregnant, and you also have to consider the issue of rape.

No I'm just saying that abortion is a choice of the woman. We carry the baby for 9 months, not men. We go through the pain of giving birth and if we don't want to do that, we shouldn't. what's the point of carrying a baby for 9 months that you don't want. You may also miscarry and that gives you health problems right there.

So what's the difference between killing a baby when it's in the womb and killing it when it isn't? What if you decide a few months after the birth that you aren't ready to handle the responsibility of a baby? Just knock it on the head with a claw hammer and say no more?

Hell, by this logic it'd be perfectly OK for me to raise a child to a good age and then shoot it in the head because I no longer want it. After all, why should I have to put up with it? It's my choice, right?

You do not understand me. I believe that most teenagers aren't ready to be parents. Now here in America, President Bush is trying to make abortion illegal. Now what I was saying is if it is illegal, what's going to stop us from killing a baby we dont want.

I had friends who got pregnant and didn't want the baby. They either 1) got an abortion, 2) lived with a baby they dont want, 3) gave the baby away for adoption, or 4) did something really stupid to kill the baby/fetus (taking pills, throwing babiesin trash cans, suffocating it, ect.) Now of course 1 or 3 should be the best choices here, because you don't want the person being miserable for the rest of their lives or do something like shoot a baby's head.

I am against abortion, but I believe it should be a choice. Bush is not a woman. He does not know how it feels to carry a baby for 9 months and give it away because you are not a fit parent. (Neither have I, but my close friends told about it and I was with them throughout the whole pregnancy, so I know how hard it is for them.) It is the woman's body, so she should make the choice of having an abortion or not.

And you should have been an abortion.

Archaon puts forward a good arguement, even if I do not agree with him in anyway. If the abortion is done before a certain stage the fetus does not even have a brainstem, hence cannot feel, and is not sentient. It is just a ball of cells. Terminating it is not the same as murdering a baby.

I believe in choice. Simple as that. Others do not. But who are they to impinge on the choice of others?

What stops you from killing anything? Law.

I don't misunderstand you at all. I am fully aware that most teenagers are not ready to be parents, and if they wish to put their child up for adoption after it is born then they should by all means do so.

Nothing, however, gives you the right to take deprive another of life for your own convenience.



Isn't it?

The difference between chopping down a tree and aborting the foetus is that the tree is not sentient and it never will be. The foetus, on the other hand, will. Therefore, you are still denying another being to have life. It is no better AT ALL than killing the baby straight after it is born. So what if it may not be sentient? You know full well that it'll BECOME sentient.

If you abort, you deprive a baby of life. If you kill a baby, you deprive a baby of life. There is no difference.




If you were to go out and shoot someone, right now, that'd be your choice. Should that be an acceptable choice to make? Should I, or the police, or the government or anyone respect that choice? Who are they to put you in jail for murder if it's your decision to make?

That tree arguement is null and void. A tree does not require thousands of pounds/euros/dollars of money, or time, invested in it a human does. Now I am not trying to belittle life, but isn't it better to not have the child then raise it in an atmosphere of essentially "Didn't want this child"? Aborting a feutus before it becomes sentient, while debatable on certain moralistic grounds, saves the parents raising a child they didn't want.

Now, in a perfect world they could just put the child up for adoption, but adoption services worldwide are already snowed under with children as it is, and can you happily say you would want to bring a child into the world today?

The final part, me shooting someone who is alive is very different to terminating a ball of cells. Someone who is alive is sentient. A ball of cells is not. Choice constrained by laws is one thing, but if someone wants an abortion who are you, I, or Bush, to deny them that?

You do not have to raise it after it is born. Again, adoption is a perfectly viable solution. There are plenty of agencies out there.




It is exactly the same thing because you are denying life.

Is it OK to kill coma victims? After all, as long as they're comatose, they're not sentient. If I had a child who fell into a coma and I happened to not want that child anymore, would it be alright for me to kill that child purely on the grounds that it isn't sentient and it's my choice?

No, it wouldn't. Why? Because there is an extremely strong chance that it will BECOME sentient. It's the same thing with developing babies.

I am not denying that if a fetus is left to develop that it will not become sentient, and you are just being rather pedantic with regards to what I am saying. You are ignoring the crux of the issue.

1) If someone does not want the child and became pregnant through rape or a condom failing, is it fair to make them carry it for nine months just to then hand it away?

2) The adoption agencies are already overloaded. Adding another child to their already strained budget is not fair on that child, or any other child already in there.

3)There is no garauntee the child will be adopted, and living your whole childhood knowing that no one wanted you or loved you......that is really rather cruel.

Now you personally are against abortion. So am I. That's why I have a daughter I do not see or live with. But that does not mean we should force others to follow our choices regarding it.

First of all, I'm not against abortion. I don't take a stance either way. I just noticed that the pro-choice folks (hate that term) seem to be outnumbering and walking all over the pro-lifers (hate that term too) so I've decided to argue the side of the underdog.

Secondly, look at it the other way. Is it fair to deny something life because you don't want it? Sure, it might not be fair on the child to put it up for adoption. It's a lot less fair to kill it. As far as I'm concerned, the "crux" of the issue is whether or not a mother should be allowed to take a life for her convenience. If women DIED from having unwanted babies then it'd be a different matter entirely, but that is not the case. It is an inconvenience.

The argument that we shouldn't force others to follow "our rules" doesn't work. That is how society operates. I'm sure there are plenty of people who believe they should be able to kill, steal and wreak havoc all they want without some higher-ups telling them they can't, but you know what? That's just too bad for them. They have to follow "our choices". I'm sure THEY feel plenty inconvenienced by this, but they're just going to have to deal with it.

The "pro-lifers" are getting trounced mainly due to them not being able to string together a paragraph to back up their views. You have done a far better job then the last 15 or so pages have seen, and you don't even agree with their view.

Rgardless, for the sake of convience, as I would see it would be "Oh I had sex without using a condom, I'll just have an abortion." and a repeat of that every few months. In that case I agree that is wrong in every way.

As for society and being forced to follow rules, yes that is what it is about. But is it fair for a minority to dictate to the majority? No. It is the other way around.