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Nysfinelilangel
QUOTE (bleeding mascara @ Jan 18 2005, 01:34 PM)
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 12:22 PM)
A lot of ppl dont know how abortions are done, so i typed this up from a book. I dont know if anyone esle posted anything on how its done, so here it is.

Killing the Unborn Child-

Since 1973 the year that the U.S Supreme Court overturned sate laws prohibiting abortion , over 30 million unborn children have been kidded in the united startes alone-more then one aboritong for every 3 live births. World wide, it is estimated that between 1 and 1.5 billion abortions have been performed since 1970, and abortions continue at a rate of between 30-60 MILLION per year. Many people who support abortion do not even know what it is. Since it is such a vital issue today, responsible citizens must understand it. Several methods of abortion are commonly used today. Over 90% of the surgical. Abortions done in the united states employ the,
Suction method: (also known as suction curettage)/B], used during the first 3 months of the childs development. In this method a tube is connected to a suction device is inserted into the mothers womb. The forch created by this device tears the childs body apart and draws the pieces into the tube and into a container for disposal. Early-term abortions can also be carried out using drugs that kills the developing child and induce miscarriage. About 3% if the abortions in the united states involve the [B]Dilation and curettage (D&C) method , also used in the first three months of development. This method involves using a loop-shaped knife called a curette to scrape the womb, serving the childs attachment to the mother.  The babys body is often cut into small pieced, and the head may be crushed to fit through the opening of the womb. (both suctions curettage and D&C can also be used for purposes other then abortion.) During the period between 13 and 20 weeks (3 and 5 months) of development, the most common method of abortion is the Dilation and evacuation (D&E) method. In this method, a pair of forceps is inserted into the mother womb, where they are used to dismember the child and drag the parts out of the womb through the birth canal. The tiny parts are often reassembled to ensure that none of the Childs remains are left in the womb. After 20 weeks, D&E is not longer practical, so abortionists occasionally use salt poisoning (saline abortion) to kill the child during this period. Using a long needle, they inject a salt solution (or something urea) into the amniotic sac. This concentrated salt solution is swallowed and inhaled by the child, causing hemorraging, shock, and often painful burning of the skin. The child thrashes about as it slowly dies, usually within an hour and a half. The dead child is then delivered though the birth canal within 2-3 days. Although most abortions are performed during the first three months of pregnancy, 10,000-15,000 per year are performed during the final three months of development, when the baby is capable of surviving outside the womb. When the child is so far advanced, Hysterotomy abortions are usually performed. In the procedure, witch is similar to a Caesarean section, the child is surgically removed from the womb, but is laid aside to die from neglect; a medical team would work around the clock to save this same child if he or she were born prematurely and wanted .Alternatively, the exposed child is killed while still in the womb then removed after he is dead. Some mid- and late- term abortions (after the 20th week) are also performed usiong the intact dilation and extraction (D&X) method or partial-birth abortion. In this method of abortion, the child is delivered alive though the birth canal just as in a normal live birth, except that he is delivered feet first. When all of his body except his head is outside the mother, the child Is then killed by a puncturuing the base of the skull and using suction to remove his brain, collapsing the skull so that the head can fit more conveniently through the opening of the birth canal. Learning what abortion is and how it is performed has caused many people to feel that is should again be abolished by civilized nations.


anyone after reading that still say abortion is not murder and they should have a "choice"???? anyone???
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lol yeah... ive typed that out before... its the same exact one as what i put... but i didnt have the stuff before the different types of abortion
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wow, that sucks lol if i knew u typed it out already i deff would not have typed it again lol. HUGE waste of time....
Nysfinelilangel
QUOTE (dear materialista @ Jan 18 2005, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 02:31 PM)
QUOTE (PyroslasherX @ Jan 18 2005, 01:09 PM)
And I am still pro choice on the grounds that Hysterotomy abortions, and (D&X) method or partial-birth abortion are rarley done and the fact that most abortion clinics will even allow them. That artical was written by some one who is against abortion adding a biased view to it. The keep saying kill the child. When in fact they are killing the fetus. All but the last 2 abortion methods are done to the fetus before it is technically an actuall person.
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you can believe w/e u want, but as soon as the baby is conceived, its a child, a lot of doctors don't tell u that. And yes thos 2 methods are rarely done compared to the other methods, but there still done. And they do kill 10,000 to 15,000 babys a year.
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You can believe "w/e u want", but not everyone agrees with you so stop dressing up your opinions as fact.

God, how stupid can people be. I don't care what you believe, but hasn't it already been firmly established that there is no "right" or "wrong" answer as to whether a fetus is a child?
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Well first of all, i have not read all of the 14 pages of this topic. So i would not know if it was established that there is no right or worng answer to that question. Go ask a freakin doctor, as soon as u have sex and the sperm hits the egg its a child. Well wait, i should reword that, go ask a doctor that you TRUST and has proof for u to see, cuz anyone can lie to you. If you dont wanna believe that, thats fine, but thats why i believe. You dont have to believe it to, i really dont care lol. And i'm deff not tryin to make a fight about it, cuz i know the truth n no ones gonna make me think other wise. I know tell me i'm "closed minded" but idc i'm set in my beliefs.
AkuTaco
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 05:46 PM)
Well first of all, i have not read all of the 14 pages of this topic. So i would not know if it was established that there is no right or worng answer to that question. Go ask a freakin doctor, as soon as u have sex and the sperm hits the egg its a child. Well wait, i should reword that, go ask a doctor that you TRUST and has proof for u to see, cuz anyone can lie to you. If you dont wanna believe that, thats fine, but thats why i believe. You dont have to believe it to, i really dont care lol. And i'm deff not tryin to make a fight about it, cuz i know the truth n no ones gonna make me think other wise. I know tell me i'm "closed minded" but idc i'm set in my beliefs.
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A fertilized egg cell is not a child, it is a zygote. It has a full set of DNA, but it doesn't even resemble a human being. It has no mind, no body, and no soul. So silence, ye of little knowledge.
Nysfinelilangel
QUOTE (AkuTaco @ Jan 18 2005, 07:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 05:46 PM)
Well first of all, i have not read all of the 14 pages of this topic. So i would not know if it was established that there is no right or worng answer to that question. Go ask a freakin doctor, as soon as u have sex and the sperm hits the egg its a child. Well wait, i should reword that, go ask a doctor that you TRUST and has proof for u to see, cuz anyone can lie to you. If you dont wanna believe that, thats fine, but thats why i believe. You dont have to believe it to, i really dont care lol. And i'm deff not tryin to make a fight about it, cuz i know the truth n no ones gonna make me think other wise. I know tell me i'm "closed minded" but idc i'm set in my beliefs.
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A fertilized egg cell is not a child, it is a zygote. It has a full set of DNA, but it doesn't even resemble a human being. It has no mind, no body, and no soul. So silence, ye of little knowledge.
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it has a soul as soon as the egg is fertilized. If u dissagree, witch u do...plz explain to me when YOU think the child gets its soul.

Quick Facts

Since 1973, 1 out of 3 babies have been aborted.

When does the unborn baby’s heart begin to beat?

The heartbeat begins between the eighteenth and twenty-fifth day.

When does the brain begin to function?

Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.

How early can a baby survive outside the mother’ womb?

Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.

What about cases of rape and incest?

Pregnancy from rape is extremely rare. A study of one thousand rape victims who were treated after the rape reported no pregnancies. There are no known studies of incest cases. Medically, we know pregnancy in these cases would be rare. As reasons for legalizing abortion rape and incest are nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion.

But what about the child with disease who will die a slow death or live his life as a burden to his family?

Do you believe the new “ethic” should be that we kill the suffering or burdensome? Some of these cases are tragic, some are also inspirational. We cannot assume the responsibility for killing an unborn child simply because the child has not yet been seen in public. The child’s place of residence does not change what abortion does - kill a human being.

What about the population boom? We can hardly feed the people of the world now!
True, the population of the world is growing, but population is not a problem in the United States. The U.S. death rate is now greater than the birth rate and our present population is growing older.

Population growth or decline compares replacement of the current number of reproductive age individuals with the number of babies being born. By this measure, the United States is now in a sharp population decline.

One recent projection of the population has predicted that around the year 2000, half of the population will be over 50 and a third will be over 65. The impact upon our society will be tremendous.

How can a girl give up her own baby for adoption and go through life never knowing what is happening to her child?

Which is better to remember, “I gave my baby life. And because I loved him, I gave him into the arms of a loving couple” - or to remember, “I selfishly ended my baby’s life?”





And so when liberals tell you that abortion is rare - tell them that it kills almost three times more people than cancer. When they tell you that abortion is a right - tell them that for every American killed in World War II, there have been 62 babies killed at the hands of so-called "doctors."


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IMAGE REMOVED BY ROBB. DO NOT POST AN IMAGE LIKE THAT AGAIN.


AkuTaco and I'm the one with little knowledge?? alirght....
Robb
Ok 1st thing Nysfinelilangel, you want to post in here, read ALL pages in a topic.

2nd Post images like that abortion one again and I will have you banned permanently, IP, name, the lot.

3rd I am sick of this preaching crap. Prove to me a soul exists. Then maybe you can use that a reasoning.

4th I still am pro choice, let people decide for themselves. Especially if that person is some 14 year old who really shouldn't be having children yet. You cannot tell me letting them try and raise a child is a good move.

5th Disease, ok child may have a congenital disease that the kid will have less then a 10% chance of living past any day they are born. Save the parents the heartbreak, save the child suffering.

6th: Stem cell research. Enough said there.

Now I am being lenient so far on who I exact the rules here, because when you joined I clearly said "Religious reasons are not to be used, as not everyone believes in your religion."

Stick to facts, not theological discussion.
dear materialista
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 07:46 PM)
QUOTE (dear materialista @ Jan 18 2005, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nysfinelilangel @ Jan 18 2005, 02:31 PM)
QUOTE (PyroslasherX @ Jan 18 2005, 01:09 PM)
And I am still pro choice on the grounds that Hysterotomy abortions, and (D&X) method or partial-birth abortion are rarley done and the fact that most abortion clinics will even allow them. That artical was written by some one who is against abortion adding a biased view to it. The keep saying kill the child. When in fact they are killing the fetus. All but the last 2 abortion methods are done to the fetus before it is technically an actuall person.
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you can believe w/e u want, but as soon as the baby is conceived, its a child, a lot of doctors don't tell u that. And yes thos 2 methods are rarely done compared to the other methods, but there still done. And they do kill 10,000 to 15,000 babys a year.
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You can believe "w/e u want", but not everyone agrees with you so stop dressing up your opinions as fact.

God, how stupid can people be. I don't care what you believe, but hasn't it already been firmly established that there is no "right" or "wrong" answer as to whether a fetus is a child?
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Well first of all, i have not read all of the 14 pages of this topic. So i would not know if it was established that there is no right or worng answer to that question. Go ask a freakin doctor, as soon as u have sex and the sperm hits the egg its a child. Well wait, i should reword that, go ask a doctor that you TRUST and has proof for u to see, cuz anyone can lie to you. If you dont wanna believe that, thats fine, but thats why i believe. You dont have to believe it to, i really dont care lol. And i'm deff not tryin to make a fight about it, cuz i know the truth n no ones gonna make me think other wise. I know tell me i'm "closed minded" but idc i'm set in my beliefs.
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Sigh.

Whether or not a fertilized egg is a "baby" is a matter of opinion, NOT FACT. You can ask as many doctors as you like and their answer will depend on their personal beliefs, their morals, possibly their religion. It cannot be proved or disproved as "baby" is not a medical term. I don't care what your beliefs are, but they are not facts, OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS. They are only beliefs.
dear materialista
[quote=Nysfinelilangel,Jan 18 2005, 10:02 PM]
[quote=AkuTaco,Jan 18 2005, 07:56 PM][quote=Nysfinelilangel,Jan 18 2005, 05:46 PM]



And so when liberals tell you that abortion is rare - tell them that it kills almost three times more people than cancer. When they tell you that abortion is a right - tell them that for every American killed in World War II, there have been 62 babies killed at the hands of so-called "doctors."
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I can't believe you posted that.

Comparing aborted fetus to people who died from war, car accidents, aids or cancer is probably one of the most insensitive, selfish things you could do. People who die from cancer (and the others) are REAL PEOPLE who have led real lives and families and friends who are affected by their death. How dare you belittle the importance of real people by comparing their deaths to abortion. Abortion will NEVER be the same as death from cancer.

Pro-lifers only care about people until they are born. And then they hand them a gun.

Btw, aborted fetuses aren't american. Americans are people who have been born or naturalized in the US. Yes... born.
Pyro Idol
I agree with materialista. That is the most insensitive thing ever. Belittling the life of an actual human like that. And yea good point about the american thing too. Oh and angel good job on choosing a pole that excludes and doesnt credit the other 49.6 million who died in WWII. Because you know it seems to you and the creator of that graph that only americans are the ones who matter.

Oh and great point about the pro-lifers. You dont want the baby to be aborted. And soon after birth it seems like you really stop caring.
Nysfinelilangel
QUOTE (PyroslasherX @ Jan 19 2005, 07:36 PM)
I agree with materialista. That is the most insensitive thing ever. Belittling the life of an actual human like that. And yea good point about the american thing too. Oh and angel good job on choosing a pole that excludes and doesnt credit the other 49.6 million who died in WWII. Because you know it seems to you and the creator of that graph that only americans are the ones who matter.

Oh and great point about the pro-lifers. You dont want the baby to be aborted. And soon after birth it seems like you really stop caring.
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i did not make that graph, i just posted it. jezzzz
Pyro Idol
As I said. You AND THE CREATOR OF THE GRAPH.

Oh and one thing about abortion and stem cell research. Did you all know that if stem cells were jammed back into a womans uterus it would continue and develop into a child? Thats how powerful stem cells are.
Nysfinelilangel
[quote=dear materialista,Jan 19 2005, 03:24 PM]
[quote=Nysfinelilangel,Jan 18 2005, 10:02 PM]
[quote=AkuTaco,Jan 18 2005, 07:56 PM][quote=Nysfinelilangel,Jan 18 2005, 05:46 PM]



And so when liberals tell you that abortion is rare - tell them that it kills almost three times more people than cancer. When they tell you that abortion is a right - tell them that for every American killed in World War II, there have been 62 babies killed at the hands of so-called "doctors."
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I can't believe you posted that.

Comparing aborted fetus to people who died from war, car accidents, aids or cancer is probably one of the most insensitive, selfish things you could do. People who die from cancer (and the others) are REAL PEOPLE who have led real lives and families and friends who are affected by their death. How dare you belittle the importance of real people by comparing their deaths to abortion. Abortion will NEVER be the same as death from cancer.

Pro-lifers only care about people until they are born. And then they hand them a gun.

Btw, aborted fetuses aren't american. Americans are people who have been born or naturalized in the US. Yes... born.
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"Comparing aborted fetus to people who died from war, car accidents, aids or cancer is probably one of the most insensitive, selfish things you could do."
^^^insensitive and selfish??? You wanna talk about insensitive and selfish????Whos sittin there saying KILLING a baby or a "fetuses" is ok b/c u dont want it, or dont think ur "ready". How dare you call ME insensitive and selfish.

"Pro-lifers only care about people until they are born. And then they hand them a gun."
^You wanna explain what r u talkin about????

"Btw, aborted fetuses aren't american. Americans are people who have been born or naturalized in the US. Yes... born."
^^ btw why dont u read this...
Hysterotomy abortions are usually performed. In the procedure, witch is similar to a Caesarean section, the child is surgically removed from the womb, but is laid aside to die from neglect; a medical team would work around the clock to save this same child if he or she were born prematurely and wanted .Alternatively, the exposed child is killed while still in the womb then removed after he is dead. Some mid- and late- term abortions (after the 20th week) are also performed usiong the intact dilation and extraction (D&X) method or partial-birth abortion. In this method of abortion, the child is delivered alive though the birth canal just as in a normal live birth, except that he is delivered feet first. When all of his body except his head is outside the mother, the child Is then killed by a puncturuing the base of the skull and using suction to remove his brain, collapsing the skull so that the head can fit more conveniently through the opening of the birth canal.


the child is surgically removed from the womb, but is laid aside to die from neglect.
^^ that means that the baby is an American?? witch means what there doing is murder... correct??
dear materialista
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^^^insensitive and selfish??? You wanna talk about insensitive and selfish????Whos sittin there saying KILLING a baby or a "fetuses" is ok b/c u dont want it, or dont think ur "ready". How dare you call ME insensitive and selfish.


Let's set up a hypothetical situation. You have two options to choose from. Your job is to decide which death is the greater tragedy.

a. An eleven year old girl is diagnosed with leukemia. For the next three years she undergoes painful chemotherapy and other such treatments, but with no luck. At fourteen, she dies, devastating her family, friends, and everyone who knew her.

b. A fourteen year old gets drunk at a party and has sex with some random guy. A few weeks later she finds out she is pregnant and has an abortion about two weeks after that. The fetus is approximately the size of a raisin. If she had the baby, she would have dropped out of school and probably never would have escaped poverty, only having a middle school education. The child would grow up unwanted, fatherless, and impoverished.

Whose death is the greater tragedy? The girl or the raisin-sized fetus? If you choose the fetus you are most likely a horrible person. And I mean that, without apology.

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"Pro-lifers only care about people until they are born. And then they hand them a gun."
^You wanna explain what r u talkin about????


Yep. Most pro-lifers don't seem to care about a person's quality of life after they are born, just the fact that they are born. When asked whether it is worse to have never been born at all or to grow up being unwanted, abused, neglected, and impoverished, most of them seem to say it is worse to have never been born at all. There you go. They don't care about the quality of life of the child. Of course this is a generalization, but I have noticed it frequently - especially here. As for the gun thing - ever notice how most pro-life people are anti-gun control and pro-death penalty? It's as if death is only bad until a person is born!

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"Btw, aborted fetuses aren't american. Americans are people who have been born or naturalized in the US. Yes... born."
^^ btw why dont u read this...
Hysterotomy abortions are usually performed. In the procedure, witch is similar to a Caesarean section, the child is surgically removed from the womb, but is laid aside to die from neglect; a medical team would work around the clock to save this same child if he or she were born prematurely and wanted .Alternatively, the exposed child is killed while still in the womb then removed after he is dead. Some mid- and late- term abortions (after the 20th week) are also performed usiong the intact dilation and extraction (D&X) method or partial-birth abortion. In this method of abortion, the child is delivered alive though the birth canal just as in a normal live birth, except that he is delivered feet first. When all of his body except his head is outside the mother, the child Is then killed by a puncturuing the base of the skull and using suction to remove his brain, collapsing the skull so that the head can fit more conveniently through the opening of the birth canal.


the child is surgically removed from the womb, but is laid aside to die from neglect.
^^ that means that the baby is an American?? witch means what there doing is murder... correct??


That's only one type of abortion, and a rarer one. It is not an American because it has no birth certificate or legal status in any way as an American.

So, if something is American... that means it's murder?

Interesting logic you've got there....
kittenJanine
Right, im FOR abortion and my RE teacher is against so when i voiced my opinion she went off on this huge rant about if a child is a aborted because of a disability it is like what hitler tried to do. Erm excuse me i am not trying to wipe out a race or kill all disable people im just saying that people have the right to choose.

I am sick of having teachers teach so baisly (or what ever that words meant to be). They ask for waht you think and if you tell them but they disagree thats it you are WRONG! I even got less marks on a question because she didnt agree, even the other teacher said it was worth more marks. ahhhh well
severe injection
You're "for abortion" or are you prochoice? Its terrible to think every child in the world should be aborted, which is what being "pro-abortion" is. Choose your words wisely.
Robb
I agree, but it is something I have also experience first hand. My RE teacher back when I was in school was a lonely, embittered bible bashing idiot, no offense to anyone religious here, but that is the only way to describe it. She also was against abortion, and stem cell research. I gave a logical arguement for being pro choice, and she shouted and ranted at how I was a heathen and would burn in hell. I told her to go fuck herself with a bible.

RE is supposed to be about religious education, ie educating you about ALL religions and their views. It does not mean you can have one religion shoved down your throat like your teacher seems to be doing. As a teacher should should encourage open debate on such issues. She is not, hence she is failing in her job description. Report her and get her to pay attention to her job, if not, get her fired.
dear materialista
QUOTE (sexyfencey @ Feb 21 2005, 11:18 AM)
You're "for abortion" or are you prochoice? Its terrible to think every child in the world should be aborted, which is what being "pro-abortion" is. Choose your words wisely.
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I doubt she meant that. I think she meant more along the lines of "pro-abortion being an option." Unless she said that "every child in the world should be aborted!!!!11" I don't think it's wise to assume she thinks that.
Robb
sexyfencey, come on, you know better then that......
severe injection
You have to be very picky with your words. There are people who are for abortion for population reasons, or for just plain perversity. One former customer of mine told me how "abortions rocked her socks", after having one. I think it's very insensitive and unnatural to have such a reaction, and I believe that abortions should be, like Clintons said: legal, safe, and rare.
Robb
Your former customer is one very strange and or fucked in the head and thick as two short planks, person.
severe injection
QUOTE (Robb @ Feb 21 2005, 11:30 AM)
Your former customer is one very strange and or fucked in the head and thick as two short planks, person.
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Yeah, I always somehow end up attracting the oddest types.
My customers are fetish models, pregnant teens and abortion fiends.
dear materialista
I'm pro-abortion in certain circumstances. If a baby is going to have a horrible, fatal disability (which her argument with the teacher seemed to be about), then it would probably be better off being aborted.
Robb
QUOTE (sexyfencey @ Feb 21 2005, 04:33 PM)
QUOTE (Robb @ Feb 21 2005, 11:30 AM)
Your former customer is one very strange and or fucked in the head and thick as two short planks, person.
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Yeah, I always somehow end up attracting the oddest types.
My customers are fetish models, pregnant teens and abortion fiends.
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Where the hell do you work?
severe injection
I would be pro-abortion in extreme cases, like on cnn I heard about this one woman who is on welfare and has over 10 kids and is still pregnant. Or maybe not pro-abortion, but I think If the state is supporting her, the state should have the right to make her use the pill or the shot.

Anyway, I had the same teacher problem in 7th grade ccd (what we called catholic sunday school). I constantly got in debates with the teacher, since I was pro-choice at that point, and I was constantly outsmarting him. I'm surprised I wasnt kicked out of class.
dear materialista
I'm not pro-forcing people to have abortions, cause that would be anti-choice. But I think it's often the better option.
Robb
Indeed, I am pro-choice all the way. You should decide what is better for you. Having the child, or abortion. That is your choice, and the choice of the father of the child too, well in some cases at least. No one should be able to tell you that you cannot, they can tell you why they think you shouldn't, but in the end the choice is yours. Roe Vs Wade was a great occurence and I one day hope something similar can be effected in Ireland, without the whole trial.
severe injection
Well, in most cases that an abortion is seriously considered, it is the better option. Most couples or singles who would be able to adequately support, care for, and love a child aren't going to seriously consider an abortion.
dear materialista
bump
Robb
Well bumped considering the discussion from rants. In fact I may move and merge it with this, and now I have done so.
kittenJanine
Um! Why would i mean every child in the world should be aborted. If your against it you disagree with it if your for it you agree with it. Yes, i very much think that abortion should be an option open to all women.
severe injection
It's just a matter of "Pro-Choice" "Pro-life" or "Anti-life/Pro-abortion". You just phrased your original rant oddly.
Robb
sexyfencey it was a simple slip in expression, nothing more. We all, at least I am hoping, understood kittenJanine's intended meaning.
kittenJanine
As the whole point of my rant was my teacher not abortion i wasnt thinking to much on how i phrased my views on abortion because i thought the word for would have made it pretty obvious
bitterlysweet
wow im just going to state my point of view but i dont want to cause any fights. i personally would never have an abortion. however, i do agree with it. i feel if someone rapes you, you shouldnt have to deal with that. yes i know you can put them up for adoption but that is a very serious process. they could inherit their fathers traits and that could be a bad thing. everyone wants to know their real mom and dad. dont you think they might find you some day. it is possible. what if you are a young girl. it is a lot of responsibility. even if your father raped you. the kid would come out deformed. i know i wouldnt want to live knowing how i was born. there are so many different aspects. i just feel it should be an option under certain conditions. the one thing i dont agree with though, is it is like saying ok you can have sex and not have to worry about having a child. there are pros and cons to it i guess.

to summarize- i feel abortion should be allowed under certain conditions.
luckycharm1130
Its my belief that aborotion should only be allowed when a person is raped, or if the having the baby if fatal to the mother's health. If a teenager does not have protected sex and becomes pregnant, its their fault and aborotion should not be allowed
dear materialista
QUOTE (luckycharm1130 @ Feb 21 2005, 07:40 PM)
Its my belief that aborotion should only be allowed when a person is raped, or if the having the baby if fatal to the mother's health.  If a teenager does not have protected sex and becomes pregnant, its their fault and aborotion should not be allowed
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So basically, babies should be used as punishment?
Sweethang002
I believe that every woman should have a choice-& that choice is whether or not they want to have sex. If they decide yes they would like to, they must be prepared to deal with all the consequences of having sex. And no, murder is not a way of dealing with it. I don't believe a person should have the option of destroying another human's life due to their irresponsibilty. Their child shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their mistakes. If you can't handle the responsibility, give the baby up for adoption. Abortion is a very selfish choice. Think about it-nine months of your life being taken from you is very insignificant when you think of the many years you'd be taking from the child when you terminated its life.
dear materialista
QUOTE (Sweethang002 @ Feb 21 2005, 08:21 PM)
I believe that every woman should have a choice-& that choice is whether or not they want to have sex. If they decide yes they would like to, they must be prepared to deal with all the consequences of having sex. And no, murder is not a way of dealing with it. I don't believe a person should have the option of destroying another human's life due to their irresponsibilty. Their child shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their mistakes. If you can't handle the responsibility, give the baby up for adoption. Abortion is a very selfish choice. Think about it-nine months of your life being taken from you is very insignificant when you think of the many years you'd be taking from the child when you terminated its life.
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What if I chose to have sex for reasons other than procreation? Some people never want to have children. Should they never have sex?

Whether you like it or not, abortion IS a way of dealing with it. If I happened to get pregnant today, abortion would be my method of "dealing with it" and "taking responsibility." Just because someone doesn't make the same choice you would make, doesn't mean they're not taking responsibility.

Isn't it selfish to bring an unwanted baby into the world? If you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a baby?
Lindsey
QUOTE (dear materialista @ Feb 21 2005, 05:36 PM)
Isn't it selfish to bring an unwanted baby into the world?  If you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a baby?
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Isn't it just as selfish to abort a baby because you are not mature enough or capable of handleing a baby? Thats why there's adoption. Someone does WANT that baby, even if it isnt you.
dear materialista
QUOTE (FadedCaliGirlie @ Feb 21 2005, 09:31 PM)
QUOTE (dear materialista @ Feb 21 2005, 05:36 PM)

Isn't it selfish to bring an unwanted baby into the world?  If you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a baby?
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Isn't it just as selfish to abort a baby because you are not mature enough or capable of handleing a baby? Thats why there's adoption. Someone does WANT that baby, even if it isnt you.
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Adoption is an alternative to parenting, not pregnancy. When you get pregnant, there are two choices you have to make: first, whether you're going to have the baby, and second, whether you're going to raise it yourself.

Pregnancy is NOT easy business. Pain, sickness, pre-natal care costs, taking time off work. Not everyone wants to, or can afford to, go through nine months of hell for a baby they don't want. It's not just a "minor inconvenience" as some people put it.

And anyways, what about the thousands of babies that are already waiting to be adopted? If we add more babies to the list, that just increases the time that each of them has to wait to be adopted.

If you want to adopt a baby, adopt one of the thousands that are waiting to be adopted. Don't make some poor women go through nine months of unnecessary pain.
severe injection
QUOTE (luckycharm1130 @ Feb 21 2005, 07:40 PM)
Its my belief that aborotion should only be allowed when a person is raped, or if the having the baby if fatal to the mother's health.  If a teenager does not have protected sex and becomes pregnant, its their fault and aborotion should not be allowed
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That's terrible. Make a girl not be able to go to college or even finish high school and probably end up on welfare just because of a slip up one night? What if a condom breaks, she has put an effort into using protection, but it was faulty. Does she get an abortion for putting forth the effort?
It's very difficult to prove that a girl was raped or wasn't as well. She could create a whole scenario and file a police report if she wanted one that badly. The system wouldnt be inforcable.
And if she couldn't succeed in faking a rape scenario, she might go to a "back ally" abortionist, who sticks a coat hanger in vagina, and she hemmorages and dies.
You have to accept that no matter how morally wrong you think the institution is, people who want it will not disappear. Kids will not stop having unprotected sex just because abortions are illegal. That's why we need to keep them safe and legal for every woman.
severe injection
QUOTE (Sweethang002 @ Feb 21 2005, 08:21 PM)
I believe that every woman should have a choice-& that choice is whether or not they want to have sex. If they decide yes they would like to, they must be prepared to deal with all the consequences of having sex. And no, murder is not a way of dealing with it. I don't believe a person should have the option of destroying another human's life due to their irresponsibilty. Their child shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their mistakes. If you can't handle the responsibility, give the baby up for adoption. Abortion is a very selfish choice. Think about it-nine months of your life being taken from you is very insignificant when you think of the many years you'd be taking from the child when you terminated its life.
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Stop living in the 40s. This is the 21st century, and we have the technology to reverse almost any temporary lapse of judgement. You get a bad hair cut, you get hair extensions, you OD, you go to the hospital and you wake up fine the next day. We should embrace medical technology when we have it available to us.

Do you realize that maybe that death out of mercy is better than a painful and pathetic life? A bear's mother dies in the wilderness, it is ethical to kill it's cubs rather than let them starve to death alone. Many of these kids whose mothers considered aborting them end up in terrible homes or in foster homes. Adoption isnt an ideal institution. There are so many orphans who need homes already aswell. And what do you think it must be like going through life knowing that you were an accident, and that you were unwanted from the start?

It's not a selfish choice necessarily either. Many times its for the betterment of society, one less mouth to feed, one less body to overcrowd, one less life to support if the family ends up on welfare, or if the child has disabilies and is in a state institution.

Nine months is very significant in ones teen years too. You are most likely in the middle of highschool, and your sudden drop out of highschool doesn't look great on a college application. I'm sure the conservatives at Ivy League schools would look down at your "pregnancy leave" as an excuse for the reason why it took you 5 years to graduate highschool.
Sweethang002
In reply to SexyFrencey...

"Do you realize that maybe that death out of mercy is better than a painful and pathetic life? A bear's mother dies in the wilderness, it is ethical to kill it's cubs rather than let them starve to death alone. Many of these kids whose mothers considered aborting them end up in terrible homes or in foster homes. Adoption isnt an ideal institution. There are so many orphans who need homes already aswell. And what do you think it must be like going through life knowing that you were an accident, and that you were unwanted from the start? " -SexyFrencey

-Do you honestly believe that just because a person has suffered a hard childhood or endured through many hardships in their lifestyle that their life is completely worthless & would have been better off unlived? I would hope not, because many of the greatest sufferings in life produce the most blessings. When you abort a child you are taking away everything: all their blessings, all their sufferings, & all their chances to find the joy of sorrow. You're murdering, and you are destroying their entire life. Yes, I would say that's worse than enduring hardshops. And if that person was conceived, they weren't a mistake. In the bible, it states that God had a plan for each & every person since the day of conceivement & every day of yours was written in his book. When you abort a child you're destroying God's plan & creation as well. Who are to say who should live & who shouldn't? When you have an abortion you're playing God, and no person has the right to condemn the anothers life.


"Nine months is very significant in ones teen years too. You are most likely in the middle of highschool, and your sudden drop out of highschool doesn't look great on a college application. I'm sure the conservatives at Ivy League schools would look down at your "pregnancy leave" as an excuse for the reason why it took you 5 years to graduate highschool." -SexyFrencey

-Nine months of hardship & missed opportunities on account of your screw-up is nothing compared to an entire life lost to someone else's mistakes.
severe injection
QUOTE (Sweethang002 @ Feb 21 2005, 11:14 PM)
In reply to SexyFrencey...

"Do you realize that maybe that death out of mercy is better than a painful and pathetic life? A bear's mother dies in the wilderness, it is ethical to kill it's cubs rather than let them starve to death alone. Many of these kids whose mothers considered aborting them end up in terrible homes or in foster homes. Adoption isnt an ideal institution. There are so many orphans who need homes already aswell. And what do you think it must be like going through life knowing that you were an accident, and that you were unwanted from the start? " -SexyFrencey

-Do you honestly believe that just because a person has suffered a hard childhood or endured through many hardships in their lifestyle that their life is completely worthless & would have been better off unlived? I would hope not, because many of the greatest sufferings in life produce the most blessings. When you abort a child you are taking away everything: all their blessings, all their sufferings, & all their chances to find the joy of sorrow. You're murdering, and you are destroying their entire life. Yes, I would say that's worse than enduring hardshops. And if that person was conceived, they weren't a mistake. In the bible, it states that God had a plan for  each & every person since the day of conceivement & every day of yours was written in his book. When you abort a child you're destroying God's plan & creation as well. Who are to say who should live & who shouldn't? When you have an abortion you're playing God, and no person has the right to condemn the anothers life.


"Nine months is very significant in ones teen years too. You are most likely in the middle of highschool, and your sudden drop out of highschool doesn't look great on a college application. I'm sure the conservatives at Ivy League schools would look down at your "pregnancy leave" as an excuse for the reason why it took you 5 years to graduate highschool." -SexyFrencey

-Nine months of hardship & missed opportunities on account of your screw-up is nothing compared to an entire life lost to someone else's mistakes.
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Your argument is solely based on when your belief as to when life begins. Maybe I don't believe it exists until there is a heart beat of until the third tri-mester or until the child is born. There is no right answer, some people believe that life begins before conception. If we cannot agree on when life begins, how do we know that we are ending a potential life? Are we ending one my using bibirth controloo? Or my abstaining from sex and the natural order of reproduction?

"Who are to say who should live & who shouldn't? When you have an abortion you're playing God, and no person has the right to condemn the anothers life."

We play god all the time. When we perform surgeries to save another's life who would have died, we are doing this. Man has an impact on his fellow man, and this impact should be appreciated. We can help each other.

Please don't back up and arguments with quotations from the bible and expect me to take you seriously, I don't believe, so it's not a good method to debate me. It's like if I were to take quotations from a biography of Charlie Sheen and insert them whereever in my writing.


BTW: It's fencey, not frencey
Pyro Idol
Sweethang002 what if the person who is getting the abortion doesnt agree with "gods plan". What if they are not christian, or not religious at all. It is suddenly wrong because your book says its wrong. Being against it is ok. But telling some one it is wrong because a book that isnt even true says it is. Thats just being a dick. ANd what if the life this poor neglected child lives causes them to kill themselves? Then not having the abortion just delays the inevitable. What if the mother commits suicide out of grief because she cant care for the child? You just ruined and sacrified 2 lives because you HAD to have 1 begin. It almost sounds selfish in my opinion.

And also you protest so much about not killing the fetus in the womb. What are you going to do once it is birthed? Nothing thats what. It is another person in the world, and thats all you care about. They can die 2 years later for all you care. It is really stupid in my opinion.
SwirlGirl13
abortion so much better than a child not having a good life...there are already so many uncared for children in the world that another one isn't necessary.
Robb
Sweethang002 the rules for Society clearly state that religion is not an acceptable reason as saying "It is God's plan." This is because not everyone shares the same religious views. Please reconsider your arguement before posting again.
dear materialista
What most pro-lifers seem to be forgetting is, a fetus ISN'T GOING TO CARE that it's missing its whole life. A fetus does not understand the concepts of life or death, as it has never lived.

It won't care if you kill it. Promise.




(btw sexyfencey, ivy leagues are overwhelmingly liberal, definitely not conservative at all. agreed with everything else you said though, i just thought i'd let you know)
Robb
Considering when most abortions take place, brainwave activity has not even begun, so it is not even aware it is anything in the first place.
dear materialista
But don't you love those poems the pro-lifers always seem to post, to "prove a point"? "Waaahh wahhh I'm a poor baby fetus / I loved you mommy / but you killed me / waaahhh"
Robb
That kind of drivel, and I will not make any apologies or "no offense" comments, is nothing but an annoyance. It is designed to make someone feel guilty for not bringing a child into the world that they did not want or could not support. Personally I still find it interesting that the die hard zealots of the pro life side of things only care that you do not abort the bunch of cells, they never seem to care what happens once the child is born.

So I pose what has been posed many times before. Which is worse, ending a bunch of cells chance to develop into a child, or letting the child be born into a world that did not want it in the first place? I know what my answer is.
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