Well yeah that's a good point.
But sex was made for having children.
Therefore, when you have sex,
you have to expect children; even if you used protection.
So when a girl gets pregnant, she shouldn't go and have an abortion
just because she wasn't ready for it.
Why risk having a child just for an act of pleasure?

unless sex is really good lol. i wouldnt know.

Your ignorance of sexual contact is astounding. Sure sex can result in children, but sex is not just for procreation with humans. It can be a huge level of intmacy with your partner, or it can be unbelievable pleasure just for the sake of it.

Just because you feel sex is only procreation does not mean others agree with you, and hence your basis of the arguement is somewhat flawed.

How is her argument flawed if it was her oppinion? You cannot tell someone that their oppinion is wrong.






Ok if we are going that far in the whole freedom thing everyone should have the right to shoot their neighbor?? There has to be laws and rules. Freedom is great but too much isn't good for anyone. You saying that the abortion debate highlights that America has failed at being a free country is absolutely ridiculous.

Just look at the debate where an area of America took away the constitution. Thats not so free. An'd I'll bet if you stood up and said the wrong stuff out loud you'd get put away for it.

I wasn't bashing america what so ever, I was pointing out an obvious factor. How is it bashing by saying they don't have good health care compared to Canada? It's the truth. Every Canadian gets free health care, obviously thats a country I would rather live in. I would obviously rather live in a place where I get to choose what happens to me without having to consult my guardians and have them approve of how I plan to live my life, it's not the best way to run things. F
reedom has nothing to do with shooting your neighbour, it is having the power to run your own life without having to have approval from family.

When you get down to it, yeah, we want to have sex, we get horny for the simple reason that we are driven to procreate and continue the species. That's how it all is on a basic level. HOWEVER, it's also fun and way of showing someone how much you love them (just giving different views) so it's not that way to everyone. I know I don't want children any time soon. Hell, I took a really stupid risk because of this, not that I knew it was a stupid risk because the doctors didn't tell me. But that's another story.

I wouldn't say you should expect children if you have protected sex. But on the subject of needing parental consent, it's a touchy one. On one hand, you have someone who's very young, and may not know their medical history, but on another, it's still their body.

The problem with abortion is making sure the women/girls there are there by their own choice and not actually having the respect and knowledge of the proceducre to understand what they are undergoing and what it means long term.

It all comes down to education at the end of the day. Having the knowledge, respect and understanding of sex, how women get pregnant (i.e the menstrual cycle and fertility period), how to protect yourself, sti's, and what the options are should the girl get pregnant and what they contain.

Some grown women are so naive to others situations, as I have discovered, who believe that every woman/girl puts though into what they are doing when they have sex and then when there pregnant get an abortion. It's frankly quite shocking.

Abortion should be a choice. But it should be an educated choice and i often wonder how many abortions performed afre performed on those that actually genuinly want an abortion.

Indeed education, proper education, would give people the knowledge to make these choices for themselves. Sadly lack of education is more common then education in certain areas, especially with regards to sex and sexuality.

I can't help but think that abortions wouldn't be quite so necessary if people were just educated about that stuff, fertility, condoms and all that. And it needs to be understood that it's not the easy way out.

its crazy to know that people kill life just in order to live as they wish

abortion is murder- its the easy way out for people who are scared to face reality

a child is a testimony of love- when you truely love eachother and know that you are willing to live together for eaternity, thats when you have sex, and sex is to bring eachother together- to form a bond, and through that bond shall come life, if you kill that life, you are killing a part of yourself, you are a murderer.

and what about if this child is going to solve world peace or something, or you just killed a future leader? i dont support abortion, it is evil.

A child is a testament to love.....so having a child due to rape is really due to love then?

Your whole arguement is flawed, seriously.

no- having a child due to rape is cause of an act of violence, and thats stupid

what im saying is that if you have sex and your not careful you should be ready to handle the child if there is one

I am an adult, I have sex quite often (try every night for the most part), I practice safe sex. My wife and I are not ready for a child yet. So we should just suck it up and accept it if she gets pregnant?

Until you are in that situation yourself you cannot say one way or the other. You believe it is evil, that is your choice and your belief, but forcing it upon others is a bad idea.

im not forcing it upon others- im stating my opinion in the matter

im saying that everything happens for a reason, if someone gets pregnant than maybe its ment to be

So a 13 year old gets raped by someone and she should jsut stick it out? Think about it. The world isn't such a "meant to be place". No one is saying abortion is ideal. But sometimes it's the only way out people can see. And it should be a safe way out. Whats right for you isn't gonig to be right for everyone else. The beauty of choice.

there is also adoption- you dont always have to always go to murder

Because forcing some poor unfortunate child through such a trauma is fine.

People like you make me sick.

well im sorry if i just want to preserve life and voice my opinion

A 13 year old she never ever be forced to have to go through such changes in her body and have her whole life compeltely turned upside down by a baby that was forced on her. No I'm sorry I agree with Robb. Its sick.

If it happened to you i bet you'd be singing a very different tune. You have no idea what its like for every woman in the world. Walk a mile in their shoes first.

I look at this in the same way I look at homosexual relationships. It's not your business. Other people can do what they want and if you don't believe in it, then you don't have to do it, but you have no right to say that others can't. The unborn baby won't mind. It is better for it to die unborn before it can even comprehend its surroundings than have a child die due to poverty, living conditions, or whatever else. As far as adoption goes, there would be millions of babies put into adoption all the time if that was the only answer for an unwanted baby. As for it being murder? Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of one human being by another. The baby is not yet a human being and is therefore not a candidate for being "murdered". In the end, don't you think it would really be better to have people becoming pregnant left and right then using an abortion, than to have innocent people being raped and having to take on a child?

And as for the early post of the "abortion moster" that is completely... irrelevant nor is it the least bit rational. It's not a monster, it won't rip off your legs or arms, and the baby, to my knowledge, doesn't suffer at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not a chemical/drug that kills? Which means it doesn't beat it to death so it is not going to inflict pain. And lastly, unborn babies don't think and don't comprehend their life. Don't rationalize.

I don't believe they use chemicals to kill the unborn embryo/fetus/baby before they abort... I'll go look.

Ok having looks there two ways to abort: though drugs or surgical procedure.
Abortions types link: http://www.bygirlsforgirls.org/previousby4...rtiontypes.html

Drugs are chemicals, actually everything on earth is a chemical to some degree.

Um, yeah, you take the pills and, well that's it, you get a period and that's it over. Of course you can't take it after a certain amount of time, OBVIOUSLY. Anyway, I love how I just say it's not the easy way out, next post you're saying it is!

A child is a testiment to love only if it's between two people who love each other, and they want the child. Otherwise, it's an accident, a mistake or a tragedy. Sorry. Sure, life's a beautiful thing, but things can be warped by circumstance, for example, rape. Now, I know people keep on saying "there's adoption" but have you any idea how many unwanted children there are out there? And how difficult it is to adopt a child? Obviously not. If you think there's a happy ending to that, you're bloody naive.

Not that there's a happy ending to abortion either. As much as you would like to believe, it is not always a case of "oops, didn't want that, right flush it down the toilet, and we're back to having unprotected sex, weeeee!" It is not always like that. It can often be traumatic.

If you mean the morning after pill... I think they mean pills you can take after that.

And what I meant was I didn't believe that the fetus/embryo was "killed" before it was removed from the body during the surgical procedure.

Well, I was actually talking about chemical abortions, not the morning after pill, I mean the ones you can take up to a couple of months after you realise you're pregnant.

ah ok fair dues. I didn't know that they even existed. Learn something new everyday...

Surical abortions aren't what most people assume they are, You are given a few pills 30 minutes-an hour before the surgical asspect comes in. The pills cause detachment from the uteral lining which causes a miscarriage. It is the pills that cause the abortion not the surgical procedure. I don't really want to explain the surgical part of it, because it's not plesant and I'm sure not everyone wants to read about it. If you do, I'm sure you can find it somewhere on the internet.

but up to a certian point in can be done with drugs entirely which is what I didn't realise at all.

In some ways I believe that abortion is good. Because if a women is raped then she shouldnt have to carry a baby that reminds her of the terrible thing that happened to her. But if you dont use protection and intentionally have sex, then you shouldnt be able to get an abortion. cause it was your own fault. Now if you used a condom and were on the pill and did everything possible to prevent the pregnancy then I think it should be your own choice whether or not you get an abortion.

i think you should not beable to get one, i might be preg and if i am I want to keep my baby. i have been with my boyfriend in a very commited relationship for over a year. im only 16 but i would not want someone like my parents or his make me get an abortion. i would be devistated. Abortion should be illegal and its completley wrong no matter what. if you get raped the baby should be put up for adoption.. No acceptions on if your someone like me, you should have to keep your baby.

I completely agree...look at it this way...if a woman is murdered and she is pregnant no matter how far along she is...the person who murdered her is charged with TWO murders...abortion is murder no matter what...

Yeh so what about if the mother will die if she doesnt get an abortion, like if theres something wrong with her and pregnancy would kill her?

Well not really. Because it has been established that in the beginning stages of pregnancy, the embryo is not sentient. That is what it is called in the beginning stages, it is only called a foetus later. And abortions are NOT allowed in the later stages, because by then the baby is beginning to show signs of sentience.

Ok you go through pregnancy and then tell me its easy and you wouldn't mind having your body changed, then going through labor and giving birth because a man raped you. (assuming you are)

abortion is murder. why kill a baby because YOU didn't want to wrap it up. it's selfish. don't want the kid? there is always adoption

That has been argued and counter argued already (rape, hello?). Please, try bring something new to the arguement.

Sorry, when I said that I meant for general cases. In case of rape I see where it should be legal. but I still couldn't kill a living thing. But I do see where someone who was raped would get an abortion. and when I was speaking in general I don't mean that I would hate or discriminate against anyone who would get an abortion or who has an abortion. I do understand that it is a hard thing.

And that's where short answers like your first one screw up. You want to take part in debates on here, sure. Be more specific. The general case never applies.

this topic always gets me going because im soo against it!
you know what happens if you have sex!! so dont act dumb askin how this could happen!?
like hello!!
i get that some people are too young but theirs people out there that cant have kids! give your baby to them!
i think its murder! personally i would NEVER do it! no matter what!!

Well the idea is that when you use protection, you don't get pregnant, so don't imply it's a result of people not caring or being too stupid. Like Robb said, the general case doesn't always apply.

Im against sbortion because i am a former fetus.
You know the safest sex is no sex at all.
If you get pregnant and cant take care of YOUR child,
put them up for adoption. Theres tons of familys who can't have kids.
So put yourself in there shoes. Imagine not being able to hold your own child, your flesh and blood.
A tiny miricle. Never seeing that, And because you can have a kid your going to kill it.
Abortion is murder.

Ah the whole "Don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant" arguement.

Your stupidity is unreal. I like having sex, but right now I don't want a child. So we take precautions. But if they were to fail, would we have an abortion? I don't know. But it is nice to have the option. Once again you're forgetting rape cases, incest, and so on. Why is it you extreme pro-lifers seem to forget those? Oh wait, it's because most of you are slavering idiots.

Pregnancy is not a miracle, it's the same as eating food, and having to shit later. It's a normal biological process.

It's not a miracle at all, it's just something our bodies are designed to do to keep up the species, that's all it is, so stop glorifying it. Sure, there are lots of people who can't have kids, but do you have any idea, any at all, how much crap each couple/person has to go through to adopt a child? There are investigations, and an insane amount of scrutiny, often going over years. You don't see any authorities doing that for people who can have their own kids of course.

So quit being so bloody naive, it's not as simple as "you don't want the kid, then give it to someone else".

^ Exactly. Adoption actually is not that great. Most kids never get adopted or get adopted to unloving homes. Some of you people say "adoption, adoption!" but in reality, it's mainly just casting them aside in hopes someone else takes care of them. Generally doesn't happen.

I am pro abortion because part of my beliefs is that the soul of a person doesn't come into the body untill birth or at least the later stages of the baby's development in the womb.
We already have a great amount of people on this earth and we really do not need more.
And all you "muder/killing" people. It's not you who is "murdering/killing" anyway. It's not your baby growing inside you. It's not you who has to take care of it. It's not yours so it shouldn't be your decision.
You kill everyday, don't you? Like when your car hits a butterfly, when you eat meat... Might not be a person but it's still a living being. You'd rather two or three people suffer than just one who can't even feel it so it doesn't even suffer really, when you illegalize abortion.

It's not murder if it's legal.

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source
Main Entry: murder
Function: transitive verb
: to kill (a human being) unlawfully

Fixed.

Don't give me that one specific defintion crap, I know better than that.

fine, kill. I'll change it to "all you killing people"

It just bugs me that people think they adoption is the answer. It would be if children were actually adopted by loving homes, but very often they aren't, and honestly, the system for looking after kids like this isn't exactly good. But no, all people think is "baby baby baby" and they don't care about the aftermath, they don't care about the mother's feelings. Oh, she was stupid enough to have sex, so she must be PUNISHED. Yeah, because that makes a lot of sense. Use a human life to punish another for something, you people are sick.

It's a matter of what you class as a human existence, and what is more valuable out of a new human existence and human existence that presumed to be happier were the new one never to come to be.
Rights are insignificant as either way you infringe on them. The only way you can make morality appear to have any bearing whatsoever in this is to claim that one party doesn't have any.

Therefore, the moral choice is not to get into the situation in the first place. Only, we can't have that, because that means not having sex unless you're actually willing to support a child. Rape victims who get pregnant are extremely rare, and of those who are, having either an "abortion is immoral" or "abortion is just more violence done to me" stance is very common, it's just not worth using such a flimsy defence, particularly when people tend to discuss the general case.

As for "punishment with a human life", you're punishing one of them whichever way you go.

I eagerly await demented honking from all.

A lot of people seem to be generalizing that all babies that are adopted, are adopted into unloving homes. Considering one of my bestfriends parents have adopted at two seperate times, and i know the whole family, i would say they were adopted into very loving families. Another one of my good friends is adopted and she loves the family shes with.
I know that all adoptions do not turn out like this, but it does happen.


Granted I know that religion is not an arguement to be used, but as long as there are different religions that have different view points and stances on abortion no one will be able to agree on what human existence is.

Mas Tnega i have to agree with either way someone is getting punished.



Do you punish the child for the mothers decision or even indecision? Or the woman for getting into the situation?