Conjecture: To them it's the equivalent of just not stabbing someone five times in the face if you don't agree with murder.

Although I am prochoice, I think that the maximum age allowed for a fetus to be aborted should be lowered.
A premature baby conceived at only 21 weeks can survive, the likelihood of survival is increased at the maximum age- 24 weeks.

Also i think that all people who wave huge pictures of aborted babies in your face should arrested. Innocent bystanders should'nt have to see those kind of images without any choice.

Looks like someone is against free speech....

Some of those images are not suitable to be seen by children, david, you know that. Many can find them traumatic.

If you don't like them, you can turn away.

Children don't know what they are looking at, and even a small glimpse could scar them. Trust me, I know. It happened to me when I was younger.
I am pro-choice, even though I don't like abortions. Why? Because it isn't my body. It isn't my life. I don't have to deal with the consequences of either having the baby or not. I'd never have an abortion unless there was a risk to me or the baby. But for other people, if they don't want it they should have the choice. It's their body. It's like weither to consent your doctor for surgery or not. Its YOUR choice. No one elses. The government should really get their mits off of some things. I know how scary it is to not know what is going to happen if you do get pregnant. I had a scare, and it wasn't plesant. Wondering just what my boyfriend and I would do was scary.

That's kind of hard when you are walking down the busiest street in Dublin and they push the pictures into your face, and into childrens.

Freedom of expression and right to protest is fine, as long as it doesn't cross the line into mental abuse, which that could be seen as, and argued as, in a court of law.

That's exactly what they do, and if you try to turn away, they start shouting at you and calling you a baby-killer. Think I'm exaggerating? Nope! That's exactly what they do. Freedom of speech fine, but they shove the pictures in your face, and that's crossing the line, far as I'm concerned.

You can't just 'turn away' when you have no idea that those images are being displayed. Even a small glimpse can stick in someones mind.
I am not against free speech, i just think that people should have the free right not to be abused into looking at pictures they have no wish to see

ugh totally. There are certain things you just don't want to see. I don't think that grossing people out is going to turn them onto your cause anyway, they might purposefully go against you for it. Who would want to be associated with people like that?

I drove by a gyno office that I guess did abortions, because people were protesting outside of it. As I stopped at a red light, a woman was going inside and people who were protesting kept shoving the signs in her face and saying things to her(I couldn't tell what they were saying, I was too far away). But for christ's sakes.. how do they know she just didn't have a regular appointment?

If I were her I would have said "look I'm here to treat my bloody thrush, I'm sorry but the infection is going to die." Or something like that. Make them feel really stupid.

I have found that pro-life protestors can be some of the most aggressive and dangerous.
I had a friend get accosted going into and out of a clinic, which was surreal considering our area is mostly liberal and low-key. there was a mob of protestors outside the clinic, and as she attempted to enter, they were throwing signs and papers and themselves infront of her. she ended up tripping and falling to the ground because it was so difficult for her to walk. a woman stepped on her fingers, and when she was confronted about it she claimed she had no idea that kelsey was down there. yeah right. any way, they now have security on that building, with grates around the doors and windows to stop people from throwing objects through them. it's nuts.
I have absolutley no problem with people protesting. protesting is the back bone of our country and the true expression of democracy. I myself have gone to a number of protests. however, these people are crossing the line with their gruesome images and agressive approach. protesting peacefully is just as effective, if not more, in getting your point across. those pictures that they show arent accurate anyway, so what is the point? they are only trying to freak people out.
I am totally pro-choice. it is a woman's right to choose what happens to her body, not the government's. the government needs to stay out of my doctors office and out of my bedroom.

exactly. There's nothing wrong with protesting what you think is wrong, but it's certainly not helping your cause if you're so damn idiotic about it.

In my opinion, the pro-lifers are breeding their own "enemies" with those tactics.

okayy abortion???

honestly i think nobody has a say in it unless your put in the position and what you decide to do is your choice and dat doesn`t make it the right choice for everybody else in the face of the earth. first off i think your better of gettin an abortion than having a kid who wouldn`t be happy. also abortion should b only up to 3 months along if your further along and you didn`t know then idk what`s wrong with you and if you did know and you didn`t do it before then thats jus kinda evil. but like i said i`m not one to judge nebody. i believe someone should do whatever they want when it comes to life changin decisions like this one.


waitingg till marriage to have sex?? hahahaha uhmm i mean if thats what you wannah do you can but i really doubt you can make everybody else wait. sex is sex is pleasure and you can`t tell people to not enjoy themselves jus because you think waiting till marriage is worth it. i personally am a virgin and plann to keep it that way idk if till marriage but till i feel confident that if nething happens i can do whats best for me

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In most places abortions are done before 3 months, VERY few places do them after 3 months because of what has to be done during the abortion. The only time an abortion is done after the 12th week is usually only done when something has gone wrong during the pregnancy, or tests show something is wrong with the baby(such as heart conditions, downsyndrome, etc)

If you don't like abortion turn away.

See doesn't work liek that does it?

Funny how all these "abortion is so wrong" messages mainly come from men.

I'm not a man and I'm completely against abortion...theres always adoption...and for all you that say its ok when something is wrong with the baby ever heard of a miracle? And I thought murder was against the law...a fetus is alive...what makes it any different??

pointing out i said mainly.

There is always adoption yes, but once you have walked a mile in the shoes of a 13 year old rape victim and her rapist was her father, then maybe you can tell me if abortion is so wrong. (pointing out im pro choice and i have lost children)

Have you ever heard of an ectopic pragnancy? When both the mother and the baby would both die without a termination?

Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you go jumping. Thats my attitude, just because i don't agree it doesn't make it wrong, it doesn't make it right, therefore the chocie should always be open.

Congratulations, you backed up abortion in general by making reference to an occurence that in the US would only account for a tenth of abortions (assuming all ectopic pregnancies led to and qualified as an abortion).

What stops someone from thinking "You know what? That's a medically sound reason. Let's allow those, and other medically sound ones, but not the majority that most likely are not"?

If there were a premature baby who couldnt breathe on their own and had the chance to grow and develop more but the mother didnt want the baby...would it be ok to take the baby's life? I mean the baby wasnt fully developed. I'm prolife because everyone deserves the chance to live.

im saying that the procedure in general is something that is lifesaving at times. No one should go writing off abortion just like that. Its not always so cut and dry.

And ALL ectopic pregnancys do result in a termination. It would kill the mother and then baby if the baby was allowed to develop in the fallopian tube.

Thirdly I don't know what stops them, probably because it leaves the question "where do you draw the line?"

I believe you just crossed into child murder as the child has exited the womb if he or she is premature.

The reason that abortion is so difficult is because not even scientists agree on when life begins and when life is viable (when that person could survive without the mother). Thats why its so personal and down to choice. It depends on when yo ubelieve a baby has life and therfore rights. Some don't believe their baby is a true person until he or she is born, some believe that child has life from conception, others the heartbeat, others movement the list goes on. Its hard to make a judgement on somethnig science can't pin down.

So, NO ONE has died from a lack of treatment for it?


On the basis of what defines bacterial life, conception creates something that fits the bill. Why should the definition of a human life and a bacterial life differ?

quote to go ahead and throw into this abortion topic, "Only half the patients who enter abortion clinic come out alive!"

Again I'm not saying i support abortion, I wouldn't have one, no way. But I refuse to take that choice away from people.

Ok fair enough your right women have died from ectopic pregnancies going undected but in this day and age i would imagine its very very rare.

The point is there is always always red tape and no one is ever sure 100% on this.

Sure, adoption is a wonderful idea. But not to the expecting mother. There probably is a reason she cannot keep the baby, and to put her through the emotional experience of carrying the baby, having it, then losing it to someone else is unbearable. Plus, if adoption was such a great ida then every child in this world who had been put up for adoption would have a home, do they? No. Many of those children are put into foster care, which is a common place for emotion and physical abuse, neglect, etc to occur. As sick as it is, people see taking in foster children a great way to get quick money, and they don't care about the childs well being whatsoever because 'it's not really thiers'.

What gives any one the right to end a life? I guess people are never going to agree on this and its pointless to even try

In my opinion, I think if the mother cannot support the child and gives it what he/she needs, then abortion is the best option, I would rather a child not be here, than for a child to be bought up into a family that doesn't care for them. Adoption is another option, but then the mother has to carry the child around for nine months. I don't think anyone knows what they would do unless they were in that situation x

"What gives anyone the right to end life?"

Pinpoint to me the exact moment a baby is termed as "alive"

For the latest stage of pregnancy you can, give evidence that the foetus is definitely not alive. The onus of proof should not lie with the one who is not potentially ending a life.

But you can't prove when it begins to be alive.

This is the difficulty people have with drawing the line as to how long should be allowed for abortion. I believe at the moment it is 21weeks and 6 days as 22 weeks means the life is viable. If the child cannot survive without the mother then the mother must come first.

Exactly. It may well be alive from the start, and abortion is proof that people are in complete ignorance of that.

The weight of the two arguments being "No! That'll kill me!" and "This'll inconvenience me massively for 9 months and I might grow too attached to it to give it up!"

Sure, the bundle of cells at the moment of conception is alive, in the same way the mould at the bottom of an old yoghurt carton is alive. I hate to say it, but that's the way it is. It has the potential to grow into a sentient human, but that does not happen immediately.

I simply cannot understand peopel who woudl rtaher 13 year old girls resorted to the coathanger technique to end a pregnancy, rather than have an abortion in a safe controlled environment. I jsut can't get my head around it.

Why does saying abortion is an unambiguous act of killing equate to being in favour of the coathanger method? That makes absolutely no sense, and just serves to further my idea that "open-minded" is just shorthand for "generally in disagreement with traditional conservative thinking".

Besides which, you can probably pick up adequate suction kits on eBay or something.

From what I know, that doesn't happen to often, if at all anymore. If anyone even did this technique in the first place that's be a tad, unnessary. There would be no need to, it's not like you need a parents consent, it's your choice, it would make more sense for everyone to get it done in a hospital. Plus, I'm sure using a coat hanger would hurt you too much before it actually did anything leaning to an athome abortion.

No its been known to happen. People that want abortion outlawed do not seem to realise that without the safety of abortion and the confidentiality of it all they are driving young terrfied girls into a corner that they can't deal with. The reason its so rare right now... Abortion is legal.

Just as well I only said it was wrong, then. Illegal abortion is, of course, even more wrong. God forbid I neglect the standard reaction to discovering unavoidable repercussions for doing something stupid.

Well I don't think that people who are opposed to legalising abortion are in favour of girls using coathangers, I don't think they like that idea any more that anyone else. They just don't want ANY abortions.

I think that abortion should be allowed yet monitored. As in a normal couple who just doin't want a baby that shouldn't be allowed but say a girl who gets raped that should be!

I'm not saynig its right. I'm saynig that it is unrealistic to expect abortion to the outlawed and for it to stop happening.

Abortion is competly confidencial everywhere thats why you don't need parental consent and you have to show multipal ids to get medical records or information involving past visits to health clinics. It's illegal to reveal your medical records to anyone but that person...
I'm not saying that at home abortions don't happen, but if they do it has nothing to do with confidentiality, which is really important for girls to know so they don't do anything like that.

This is wrong. In many states (and other countries), minors must have parental consent in order to have an abortion for any reason.

Wow...that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Thank god I'm Canadian, where consent isn't needed. It's pretty sad if you live in a country where people have access to medical information and are able to control your decisions. Actually, to be honest, the united states has pretty bad medical care in general, but thats a completly different argument on its own.
Maybe I missed it, but what age do you not need consent?

Maybe its just me but I dont think bashing other countries is really necessary...

i know there are time periods where the infant isnt even considered alive and its not bad after that its just wrong imo

overall im for it, theyre not affecting me in anyway when theyre having an abortion so what do i care

Bashing it may be, but pointing out the disparity between two western countries that are supposed to have the whole freedom thing is not a bad idea. Canada and America both try to be land of the free. America has failed at being this. Canada has not. The abortion debate is merely one part that highlights it.

Exactly. You can make your choices and everyone else can make their own.

I agree with the rape part.
But I also think that people who aren't ready for children
really shouldnt be having sex in the first place.
I mean, sex is really about procreating.

That's like saying Viagra is really for treating angina. It was so in the past, but now it's just a side effect.

This morning me and my boyfriend drove past a planned parenthood clinic to see a person dressed in a devils suit with a blade thing in his hand. I drove by it again later to see cops in the parking lot.

How ridiculous is this getting?