Abortion is a good thing.

Discuss.

Edited by Robb to make more sense, and not be offensive to others.

Well, my original post said "fabulous" in place of "good thing" and I'm not exactly sure how that's not making sense or "offensive", but whatever.

Anyways, to get the discussion rolling:

-It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.
-Pro-life people often say that you shouldn't have sex unless you're willing to deal with the consequences. Well, abortion is a way of dealing with it.
-Don't like abortions? Don't have one.

Carry on, now.

Yay! I have been waiting forever for this kind of post, I would of did it just didn't know if I could. I think I have put my option on this subject before I will do it again.!


Okay now, Let’s take a look at the definitions of murder and abortion.

Murder-
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Abortion-
Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus.

These two definitions may sound different, but as you read into them, they begin to show signs of similarities.

Let’s take a look at the differences first of all.

1. Murder is unlawful, and abortion is lawful.
2. Murder is outside of the womb, Abortion is inside of the womb.

Now let us look at the similarities

1. They both involve killing another human being.
2. They are both premeditated.

Looking at the differences, my goal is to change number one, and number two, it shouldn’t matter where anyone is! If I lived in a hole, would it matter if someone killed me there instead of at an office building? No! It isn’t any different here.

Now let us look at the similarities. They both involve killing another human being! Some would say that the embryo isn’t a human being yet. I don’t buy it. It breathes and thinks. That is good enough for me. Also, the abortion is completely premeditated. They plan out the abortion very clearly down to the minute it will happen.

After looking at those facts, I believe that abortion is murder after you break it down.

Now let’s look at the less judicial part of it. The ethics.

Some teenagers may say, “I can’t handle the responsibility or it wasn’t my fault.”

To that, I say bull! First of all, you shouldn’t having been having sex out of wedlock, second of all, if you are, take birth control. Do not ruin a young baby's life just because you are selfish!

Second of all, the lawmakers say that it reduces the population. Put the babies up for adoption! Put them with a loving family! Don't be a vampire and steal their life, be a life giver!



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*NOTE*: THIS IS NOT FOR THE WEAK AT STOMACH :*NOTE*

Just read...

Dear Mommy, I am in Heaven now, sitting on Jesus' lap. He loves me and cries with me; for my heart has been broken. I so wanted to be your little girl. I don't quite understand what has happened. I was so excited when I began realizing my existance. I was in a dark, yet comfortable place. I saw I had fingers and toes. I was pretty far along in my developing, yet not near ready to leave my surroundings. I spent most of my time thinking or sleeping. Even from my earliest days, I felt a special bonding between you and me. Sometimes I heard you crying and I cried with you. Sometimes you would yell or scream, then cry. I heard Daddy yelling back. I was sad, and hoped you would be better soon. I wondered why you cried so much. One day you cried almost all of the day. I hurt for you. I couldn't imagine why you were so unhappy. That same day, the most horrible thing happened. A very mean monster came into that warm, comfortable place I was in. I was so scared, I began screaming, but you never once tried to help me. Maybe you never heard me. The monster got closer and closer as I was screaming and screaming, "Mommy, Mommy, help me please; Mommy, help me." Complete terror is all I felt. I screamed and screamed until I thought I couldn't anymore. Then the monster started ripping my arms off. It hurt so bad; the pain I can never explain. It didn't stop. Oh, how I begged it to stop. I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg off. Though I was in such complete pain, I was dying. I knew I would never see your face or hear you say how much you love me. I wanted to make all your tears go away. I had so many plans to make you happy. Now I couldn't; all my dreams were shattered. Though I was in utter pain and horror, I felt the pain of my heart breaking, above all. I wanted more than anything to be your daughter. No use now, for I was dying a painful death. I could only imagine the terrible things that they had done to you. I wanted to tell you that I love you before I was gone, but I didn't know the words you could understand. And soon, I no longer had the breath to say them; I was dead.I felt myself rising. I was being carried by a huge angel into a big beautiful place. I was still crying, but the physical pain was gone. The angel took me to Jesus and set me on His lap. He said He loved me, and He was my Father. Then I was happy. I asked Him what the thing was that killed me. He answered, "Abortion. I am sorry, my child; for I know how it feels." I don't know what abortion is; I guess that's the name of the monster. I'm writing to say that I love you and to tell you how much I wanted to be your little girl. I tried very hard to live. I wanted to live. I had the will, but I couldn't; the monster was too powerful. It sucked my arms and legs off and finally got all of me. It was impossible to live. I just wanted you to know I tried to stay with you. I didn't want to die. Also, Mommy, please watch out for that abortion monster. Mommy, I love you and I would hate for you to go through the kind of pain I did. Please be careful.

Love,
Your Baby Girl

I disagree. I say this because if you made the child then you should have it. If you can't take care of it then get it adopted. You shouldn't kill a child about to be born. I can maybe see if the abotion was because you aren't able to give birth to it, but if you were some stupid teen who had sex and want to get rid of a child you should be happy you are bringing in a new life. It also teaches you a lesson if you didn't like the idea.

abortion isnt right in my beleif. the only time i could accept a girl getting one is if she was raped. then, it wouldnt be her fault. but that is the only time id accept abortion.

I dont agree with abortion unless the mother is in danger of her life.Its killing someones life. So boo with abortion.

First of all, who are you to say they shouldn't be having sex out of wedlock? It's their choice, not yours. Sex is fun and healthy. It is good. Second of all, birth control can fail. And people are raped.

Why would you want a baby to grow up in the hands of someone who can't take care of it properly? It sounds like you're the selfish one. Why would you want a baby to lead an unhappy life?

If you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a child???

Also, fetuses cannot write. Therefore, your point is moot. If you want people to take you seriously in a debate, do not post something like that. Fetuses do not know about writing or jesus or pain or love or monsters or mommies or daddies. They have never lived, therefore they cannot know what they are missing out on. They do not know what it means to be dead or what it means to be alive. You have to have lived to understand such concepts. Therefore, an aborted fetus is at no great loss, at all.

I just don't believe in it period it's really wrong.!

So basically teens should have babies to "teach them lessons"??? Think about the children!! Babies should not be used as a tool for punishment. Having a baby is a huge responsibility and if someone isn't ready, for whatever reason, to take on that responsibility, then they shouldn't have the baby. How would you feel if you found out that the purpose of your existence was to teach your mom a lesson?

How could you advocate bringing a baby into the world when their parents didn't want him and couldn't take care of him properly? Is that really better than death?

^It teaches them a lesson of knowing better. I am onot trying to say the babies are being used as thier punishment exactly. Obviously the child was unwanted unfortunatly. If they can't take care of it someone else always can. My friend, her mom was 14 when she had her. My friend was adopted since she was too young.

I am not trying to say the kids are being used. My friend who had a mom who gave birth to her at 14 was adopted. Being too young and not able to care of the baby isn't right. Someone else can always take care of the child. What I mean is that you would know better than to bring in another child to life that isn't wanted.

I respect that all of you are against it. I dont like it cause it is killing a person. Well sorta. But I am for it for stem cell research. I always support science and that is why I support abortion.

I see this is fixing to turn to a Argument, You know what this is MY opinion I do NOT care for abortion it IS very wrong. Yes birth control can fail , you can also you condoms OR they shouldn't have sex at all if they can't take on the responsibilities of having a kid. "It feels good" Yes it does that's the only reason "Teenagers" have sex these days. They DO NOT stop and think about the possibilities that can happen. Possibly HIV or Babies , then when they get pregnant they say " I need a abortion I didn't mean to get pregnant" I don't care if they say that they still had SEX! Yes, people are raped, I still wouldn't kill a innocent child over something that happened to the mother, if they mother didn't have the mental compacity to keep it because of it happening cause she was raped. There IS adoption. " You have to have lived to understand such concepts" Um the reason I am posting because I DO understand. Now don't be barging in here like you know everything, because you do not.


- Mandy

I dont think ANY babies should be aborted (healthy or not) simpky because many families want childern (infirtile couples, same sex couples). I know a lot of children are in care but once the adoption agencys are sorted out then this wont be the case.
Also, i do believe it is killing and no human has the right to decide who can and cannot live. If they do not wish to take responsibilty for the child then thats fine (sort of). However people should use contraception anyway and i know mistakes can happen but the number of people getting pregnant unwantedly is massive. BE SAFE! (thats for my sex ed teacher )

I am pro-choice. I agree with sexygurlie93 (sorry can't be bothered with the toggle).



What? In your 'example' it is an actual person being murdered, not an embryo. This point is weak.



In many cases babies are not adopted and are instead left in care homes for most of their childhood. What is the point of adding to the populace when we are running out of space as it is? What is the point of giving birth (a traumatic experience as it is) and then giving the child up for adoption when most likely it will not be adopted in will grow up in an unloving environment?

You say to abort a fetus is to be a 'vampire'. In order to build more homes to house the growing populace a lot of green belt land is destroyed. This land is the home of many varities of wildlife. Is it not being vampiric to destroy the lives of animals?

To end:

I want to meet your amazing living and breathing embryo. The last time I checked, an embryo was literally a group of cells. Major organs, such as the brain and lungs haven't even developed yet.

Im against abortion 100%. even though the baby isnt born yet, it still has a heart beat (which means its living), blood running through its vains, and it still breaths oxygen. dont have sex if your not ready to accept the consequences. I didnt run out and get an abortion when I get pregnant, I took on my responsibility.

I'm not completely for or against abortion.

First of all, don't have unprotected sex if you don't want to get pregnant. Or wait until you are mature and married and want to have kids to have sex. If someone gets an abortion just because they had sex and they get pregnant and they just don't want the baby, too bad! I don't think they should be allowed to have an abortion.

On the other hand, if someone is pregnant and they are not prepared to have a baby (i.e. don't have enough money, food, don't have a good home, can't provide necessities to baby) then it would be somewhat OK for the mother to have an abortion.

And if someone is raped and they become pregnant and they really don’t want to have the baby, I think it’s OK have it aborted.

But there is always the option of putting the baby up for adoption, because I still think abortion is murder, even if it’s not like stabbing someone.

Anywho that’s what I think about abortion.

Abortion is a way of accepting the consequences, a way of taking on the responsibility. Not the way you chose, but who are you to say what's right and what's wrong?

I just DO not agree with it people have there own opinion's if you seen how they killed a innocent child you would not like it either. And first of all it IS a person IT does have a heartbeat it IS growing inside of you. I dont believe in it never will NOTHING would change my opinion on thing's about this choice. If they are left in home's there getting tooken care of they aren't getting there brain's sucked out or there bodies broken in half. "there is ALOT of sick human beings in this world"

Accepting the consequences are you kidding me? Abortion is for people who ARE very irresponsible, ESP teen's. Noone is to say what's right and what's wrong but in my heart it's not very pleasant to kill a baby. I don't know How you sleep at night.

people can have sex for whatever reason they want. it's not up to you. why do you care what people choose to do with their bodies? It's of no relevance to you.

isn't being wanted a necessity?

again, if you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a child??? please, someone answer that.

So what if a 13 year old gets pregnant? Should she go ahead and have the child? I think not. Abortion is a personal choie, no one should be able to say yes or no, bar the person who is pregnant, and the father of the child also. However I support abortion for teenagers because they are simply not mature enough or ready to be parents. They want to have sex, fair enough, but there are contreceptions available to use.

I the case of rape, I support abortion 100%. In the case of danger to the mother, 100%. Everything else, I believe is a choice for others to make on their own.

I agree, that little story thing was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. It made me want to [censoredcensoredcensored so the cry babies don't cry].

I have a friend who had an abortion. It wasn't a rape baby. It wasn't handicapped in any way. Contraception simply failed. She wasn't ready for it. In her last year of school, coming from a family where she had no support from her parents (she lived with her boyfriend's parents). I don't begrudge her that at all.

I am pro-choice, for all the reasons that SexYGiRliE93 listed in the first post. If you don't like it, don't get an abortion. But don't stop others who are not mature enough for a child, or whose bodies are not physically able to bear a child full term, to ruin their lives because "you just don't agree". It's their life. It's their body. The embryo hasn't experienced life, so it doesn't know what it is missing out of, and that is the cold, hard truth.

There is a difference between living and existing, people.

Like I said I have my own opinion and that letter I didn't write I found it on a site. And I liked it. Rob if the kid's want to have sex when they are teens and they get pregnant it should be a punishment for them notto kill it! You are right it's people's choices and I am not making choices for noone it's my opinnion .. But if that 13 year old can go get pregnant and handle the responsibility of having sex she should be able to have the responsibility of having the child. It's her fault and noone elses.

Why would you want someone who's irrseponsible to have a baby? So you're trying to save "babies"' lives... have you thought about their lives after their births?

Would you rather have been born into an impoverished home to parents who didn't want you and beated and/or neglected you and didn't feed you properly or given access to the opportunities needed to live a happy life... or simply never have existed at all?

I honestly feel that if you are a teenager having a child, there should be no abortion. Your the one who made that decision in life. You planned your life out already. The only way I can probably agree on abortion is is there was going to be some problems with the birth.

The teenager has decided to have sex okay? They should have known the consiquences (sp?). If they didn't they are plain out STUPID! What do you expect when you have sex...a possible chance of being pregnant. Since the young teenager decided to do this, she is going to have to deal with it.

You know, I am for and against abortion but it is all depending on how it is used. I’ll get to my only qualm on the subject in my final piece of my post but in every other aspect I am pro choice. Also keep in mind that many of the things written are opinions andbased on personal morality (this goes for everyone else’s posts as well) and therefore is subjective and bias.

As stated previously the when the “baby” is just an embryo and cannot survive on it’s own, this to me is enough to indicate that it is not in fact a living breathing human being. The same goes for someone whose bodily functions (eating, bowel movements, paralyses) need to be regulated by a machine and is brain dead. They may still have a beating heart but are they alive? To me they are not and I am an avid fan of establishing some kind of euthanasia bill to put those poor people out of their misery. There are far too many unwanted and starving children in this world as it is and numerous others in foster care or orphanages already looking for a family.

Let’s face the facts folks even if abortion is made illegal there will still be those that will try through illegal and unsanitary means to accomplish it (the good old coat hanger, remember that?) This could put the lives of many young pregnant women at risk. It’s far better to have them go to a safe place with doctors who know what they are doing to have the procedure done. As stated previously by others again even if a person does everything right birth control wise, things can go wrong and is it fair to punish them for doing exactly what they were supposed to do? In the case of rape I don’t really want to go there, but you can probably guess where I stand. The psychological and emotional damage that will be done by forcing a woman to go through the pregnancy after such a thing was done to her can scar a woman for life. She didn’t ask for it and no one has the right to tell her “well tough cookies deal with it”.

The only reason I can establish as abortion being a bad thing is if a person used it as their primary form of birth control. No condoms, no protected whatsoever just wait until they get themselves pregnant and hop on over to the clinic. There are such people and I have met them. They quite frankly make me sick; this person in question was going at the very least once every two months, sometimes once every month. To make matters worse the father was never in sight, it was always up to either me or someone else to take her. I must say I regret turning a blind eye to her reckless behaviour now (I knew this person years ago and haven't seen them in almost seven years) even though I would give her condoms I knew she would never use. This, I believe isn’t fair. It’s people like this that almost make me glad I am not the Prime Minister, as the mother would find herself with her tubes tied and the father with a vasectomy.

Forgive me if this post seemed somewhat disorganized as I just woke up from a rather long night.

So you think people have the right to say who lives and who dies? If they do not wish to take care of it then fair enough but to take a someones life? I do think of it as murder and not just a featus

No, I say that it's a personal choice and that if they truely do not want to have a child then they should have an abortion. Imagine being that child, and your birth being resented. Not a pleasent thought really. However there is one other option. If you are not ready to have a child, and I don't care what anyone says on this, a teenager is not a suitable parent, having been a teen father myself I have seen it from inside. You can give the child up for adoption. Some couples out there cannot have children, so if you don't believe in abortion, but don't want the child, adoption, that way everyone wins really.

Yes, that way greatful parents who cannot have a child get one and a poor baby isn't murdered.



Obviously it's not up to me what people do with their bodies. but I am against the fact of basically killing a baby and I don't want that to happen , so only have sex if you are prepared to be pregnant and have a baby or else make sure you are protected. Just don't come whining to somone if you're 14 and you get pregnant because you had unprotected sex. People shouldn't even be having sex that young.
and I don't really understand what you mean by "if you can't trust someone with a choice, how can you trust them with a child???" If you can't trust them with a choice, then it doesn't sound like they're ready to have a kid.

I support abortion, but not in all situations. Don't have an abortion unless you really need to. If your old enough to handle a child, you just don't want one, put it up for adoption. BUT, i do support abortion in other situations. For example, if a little girl (or any girl for that matter) is raped and gets pregnant, what is she to do? Also, if the baby is going to have some terrible disease, illness, or problem that would only give them a miserable life. So yes, i support abortion, but i think the person should really put some thought into why they are doing it.

Um, that's the whole point. I'll try to put it into simpler words for you. If you tell someone that they have no right to choose what they do with their body (ie, telling them not to have an abortion), how can you expect them to be a decent parent?



WHY would you want someone who's "plain out STUPID!" to take care of a child? Doesn't the child deserve better than that? Doesn't every child deserve parents who love and want them?



Why should the child have to suffer a bad life because their mother was irresponsible? Is that really fair to the child? Babies should not be used as punishment. Babies should be born to mothers who love them and want them and are ready to take care of them properly. If someone doesn't want a child or is not ready to care for one, then there is no reason that baby should be born. It's just not fair to the child. There are enough starving, neglected, abused, unwanted children in the world already. Do you really want to add to that?

I think abortion is acceptable in every circumstance. If you say [this is not directed to anyone in particular], "I agree with abortion, except when..." then you are not pro-choice. Women have the right to control their own bodies whenever and for whatever reason they choose.

IF you are not old enough to have a baby DO NOT have sex.! Simple as that. I stated my opinion and I am done with this Thread good luck everyone.


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People are going to have sex whether you like it or not. Simple.

There is a big difference between the act of intercourse and bringing up a child. Someone may think they are ready to have sex (when in fact they may have peer pressure on their back) but the same person is probably not ready to bring up a child.

I think abortion is a good thing, especially if you were a rape victim.

Abortion should be a woman's right. There are so many unwanted children in the world already, what would happen if all of the women having abortions had decided to have their child born into a world of neglect? Many women that get pregnant at a young age are not ready to be a mother. They have the whole rest of their life ahead of them and although many people say that abortion is "murder." I say that the woman has more rights to a future than her unborn child.

I agree. If someone comes to me and says I am pregnant and they complain about it. I will give simpathy on the fact thatt hey screwed thier life up. BUT! They made that choice and were stupid enough to take that chance if they didn't even want a child.

well..
This is one of those topics that are just going to go around and around..but anyways..my view..

I dont think i could handle getting an abortion, i'd just feel so dirty..

I personally don't think its right really, but im not going to take that right away from everyone i guess..

I only think its good..if u were raped..or if ur in danger..but with that..you would have half the teenage population accusing people that they were "raped" to get an abortion..

I think partial birth abortions should be banned COMPLETLY, its so disgusting..
like it makes me want to puuuuuke..killing a baby..in ur wat 3rd or 4th term is jst plain nasty an well jst. YUCK..

well..yeah my views..
dont gotta agree with them..jst respect em..

K I see what you're saying, but if you are responsible and have safe sex or don't have it all until you are old enough, then you won't need to get an abortion. And if they are going to be a parent no matter what the circumstances, they won't need an abortion

But people aren't always going to be responsible. Humans, by nature, are imperfect. Sure, it'd be nice if everyone was responsible and had safe sex but that's not the case and it never will be. So having the option of abortion is very important. Cause let's face it, not everyone is cut out to be a parent, and not everyone wants to.

I dont think we should be telling kids not to have sex just drill in the importance to use protection.

Yeah it's kinda hard to know what to teach - why not to have sex at a young age or how to have safe sex. If you teach how to have safe sex it's kinda telling them that it's ok, but they need to learn somewhere. But what ever the case I think under 17 is too young to have sex. I mean, why would you want to give it away to some dude when you're 15 when you can give it to the person you love and who you're gonna spend the rest of you life with when you get married???

Personally, I don't agree with abortion. Yet, it is so widespread it might as well be legal. It is the woman's choice, not mine nor anyone else's, only that woman's.

Because, believe it or not, some people want to have sex when they're teenagers. It's a fact we have to accept. We are not living in the 1950's where everyone remains virginal until they get married. How can I put this? People want to try before they buy, so to speak. My mother marriedmy father when she was 19, he was the only person she slept with until they seperated. She told me that she regrets it now-she never got to live her life and experience new things.

Because not everyone is exactly the same as you. Some people simply enjoy sex. And... lots of people don't find the person they're going to marry til they're in their thirties or even older.. so surely most of them are not going to want to wait that long to have sex.

Different strokes for different folks.

I'm against it ALLLLLL the way and I'll just leave it at that.....for now.

they should give the baby up for adoption. find a family who cant have kids. not kill the baby because of your stupid mistake

i know i wouldnt be able to sleep knowing i killed my baby

What if someone never intends to marry? What if someone never meets someone they wish to marry? Are they supposed to stay a virgin forever, because they were unfortunate enough to never find someone that they can love forever?

PrepGonePunk, I know what you mean! But I have this really handy solution for you! DON'T GET AN ABORTION. Just because you can't handle it doesn't mean you have the right to influence any other woman's decision.

Yes adoption is an option, however, as I stated in a previous post there are already numerous starving and homeless children in the world. How much sense does it make to bring more into this world? Why not worry about finding loving homes and feeding those unfortunate children that already exist. Have you read the stories of teenagers having babies and then dumping them in trash bins to die? Which is worse? Aborting an embryo, which is in no way shape or form a fully functional human being and does not even have a sense of self-awareness, or having the child and leaving it to die alone.

And about the mistakes, I can't stress enough that rape comes into play here. Please keep that in mind.

I will also agree with the point that was brought up that if abortion isn’t right for you so be it. No one can force you to have one, but please don’t let your own personal feelings on the matter get in the way of the rights of others. I don’t believe in religion, but that’s just my opinion and it is not my right to take away anyone else’s ability to practice any religion they choose. The same applies here.